Yesterday, the eagle eyed fbb revealed that the excellent Hulleys Peak District timetable book included a map of route 178 ...
... but no timetable! TWO 178 journeys (1205 and 12405 from Bakewell) were shown on what turned out to be a summary table of all buses to Youlgreave, but only with a note at the foot of the table.
Reference to the maps shows 171 as offering three "direct" journeys continuing to Middleton by Youlgreave ...
... and three journeys which area diversions off some of the 172 buses which follow an attractive "round the villages" route to Matlock.
Fair enough, you would agree; to provide a full set of times to Youlgreave by any of the three routes is a noble idea for a booklet aimed at tourist travel throughout the Peak District. But what is the dark blue line to Shutts Lane and Over Haddon on the 178 map?
Whatever it is, its gets no mention in the booklet! To find out more we need to go to Derbyshire's excellent timetable library - and, lo and behold ...
Extra journeys run to Shutts Lane, where lives Lady Manners School ...
... forming an hourly (almost) Bakewell town service. This is confirmed by Hulleys on-line timetable of the 178.
Again, if you are looking for a picturesque ride, the 172 to Matlock is a delight and those 178 circular journeys will take you to Monyash ...
... home of the celebrated Icky Picky Lane ...
... or on to the somewhat larger settlement of Youlgreave ...
... famous for its "fountain" which doesn't "fount" and never has done.
It was built in 1829 as a simple water tank to provide adequate pressure for a supply to the town.
But have you spotted the problem.
In his prognostications, fbb has referred to the village as YoulgrEAve as does Hulley's text (above). But the maps spell it as YoulgrAve.
How you actually spell the village's name has been contentious for ever and a day. A village schoolteacher and historian has collected a vast array if variant spellings.
Giolgrave Yolgrave Jalgrave Hyolgrave Hyolegrave Yolgreff Yoleg Yolegreve Yolegrave Youlgraue Welegreve Yoelgreve Oelgreve Yelegreve Yeolegreve Yolgreave Yolgreve Yollegreve Jol’ve Zolgrelf Yollgreve Yoligrewe Yollegrewe Youlgreve Zolgreff Youlgrave(1492) Yolgreyva Yolgreyve Yeolgreave Youlgreave(1595) Yellegrave Yollogreve Yollograve Yeollgreave Youldgreave Yograve Isgrave Yalgrove Yolegreue Jolegreue lolegrave Jholegreve Yelegrave Yellegrave Iolgrave Yholgreve Yelgreve Zolgreve
Grave is the older, but Greave is still the more usual.
The County Council's latest emanation and the Parish ditto seem to favour The "Grave" ...
... as does the Hulley's cartographer! But almost everyone else sticks to the "Greave" ...
... including Hulleys bus blind.
But the most power argument comes from none other than the sainted Ordnance Survey.
fbb, who has never met "Grave" until preparing this blog, votes with the Ordnance Survey!
The arguments continue.
Best not start on the vexed question of Bakewell Tart versus Bakewell Pudding!
"You say TomAYto and I say TomAHto; let's call the whole thing off!"
P.S. Monyash actuall has a SUNDAY service ...
... two journeys in each direction on High Peak service 58.
P.S. Monyash actuall has a SUNDAY service ...
Next Semley blog : Friday 24th January
The Monyash journeys on the 178 seem to have vanished during all the comings and goings of Covid-19 timetables, but I don't know whether this is permanent, and can't find any information. (My Google search brought me here!)
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