That Was Then. This Is Now
Tuesday, 28 July 2026
Commuter Coaches (2 - Kent)
fbb has tried to discover what runs from Kent to London (via Canary Wharf) today. His researches may be incomplete but will provide an antidote to the Buses article.First up, then, is Brookline ...... which runs, like Invictaway, from the Maidstone area. Brookline says it is route 764a ...... but Traveline insists that 784 is the suffix-less route number. Traveline overcomes Brookline's omission by providing a useful map (NOT) of what happens in the Maidstone area ...... and at the London end.
Next we have Redwing ...... running FOUR journeys from the Gravesend area. The timetables are unhelpful on the Redwing web site, but Traveline is clear.
There are two journeys in route 735 ...... and two on 736.The pointless little arrows are for "pick up only", surprisingly at the first time of the schedule. Then, cleverly, the last time of the journey is "set down only" - astounding revelatory information. fbb suspects that lots of times would actually be "pick up only".
Surely all the stops in London would be "set down only"?
Redwing provides no route diagram, but Traveline offers a completely incomprehensible "map".Readers might like to attempt to identify the actual stops.Dreadful!
The largest operator is Centaur.The services run from the Tonbridge Wells and Tonbridge area with an excellent full colour map.Four routes are on offer ...The map of the London end of the route is very clear ...... and the stops are named.
Here Is the timetabLe for route 'SEV' ...... where fbb was intrigued by the "Park & Ride" tag, and even more intrigued by the more extensive note.Philpots Allotments ...... appears to sell Christmas Trees AND ... ... commuter parking! But ...... only monthly or annual season tickets are available.
But there it is ...... just the place to park (monthly or annual fee only) ...... just off the A271, close to Hildenborough railway station; and just the place to catch your 'SEV' to London.
Next Commuter Coach blog : Weds 29 July
Monday, 27 July 2026
Commuter Coaches (1 - Kent)
How Quickly We Forget
Whilst bus deregulation came along in 1986, coach deregulation began six years earlier. We also had the development of National Express as a countrywide brand. Initially coaches were adorned with stripes usually appropriate to the operating company. Then came all-over white with a tiny company name ...... followed by simple white plus the logo and double 'N' symbol..A competitor emerged briefly in the form of British Coachways ...... a consortium of independent operators of longer distance coach services.The network was well publicised ...... with an appropriate slogan.The one drawback for the project was its London Terminus. Called "Kings Cross' in publicity, it was the site of the demolished Somers Town goods depot (former Midland Railway) next door to St Pancras station.It was not an attractive departure or arrival point, being just a yard, and a dusty one at that.Welcome to competitive coach travel!The site is where now sits the British Library.One splendid boundary wall ...... did once remain as a memory of the vast depot.The initial buildings of the British Library lay beyond. But today ...... there is now no sign of this rather inadequate competitor for Victoria Coach station!
Decline and break-up
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The exit from the group of Wallace Arnold and Grey-Green had seen more responsibility transferred to Shearings, now the largest of the six surviving members of British Coachways. When it pulled out in August 1982, sustaining the operations of the consortium became difficult. Morris Bros also left British Coachways in the summer of 1982, leaving the group with just four constituent companies. On 18 October 1982, the consortium found itself without a terminus in London when the site it had been using became unavailable. Services ceased operation from this date onwards
A more successful outcome of coach deregulatiion was the growth of commuter services. These evolved out if a dissatisfaction with British Railways, both in quality and price.
One area where coach commuting became big business was from Kent. At the time, the M2 and M20 were less congested than they are now and the development of Canary Wharf was more easily accessuble by coach than by rail.
Big names were Kings Ferry ...... Invictaway, a brand of Maidstone and District ...... London Coaches formerly a department of London Transport ...... and, later, some smaller operators like Chalkwell.
Chalkwell pulled out in 2017, and Kings Ferry as a consequence of Covid ...... as recorded in Roger French's blog.
The other two had faded well before.
Buses magazine carried an article wondering whether such services would soon be a thing of the past.Well, commuter coaches still run from Kent and fbb has news of a brand new service to London, seeking to provide an alternative to the train but from another direction.
And just for the nostalgia freaks, a picture of a bus stop flag at Canary Wharf.How many of these seven hundreds can you identify?
fbb doesn't have a clue but he can manage 'Kings Ferry'!
Clever boy!
Next Commuter Coach blog : Tues 28th July
Sunday, 26 July 2026
Sunday Variety
Andy Goes "Green" - Not!
Andy took a bit of stick in the Conservative press for using an executive jet to get to Manchester for the first manifestation of his No 10 Of The North project.Could he have "just got the train".
Probably not on Thursday evening after the Commonwealth Games (Economy Pack) opening ceremony closed. The Channel 5 broadcast ended at 2205 and a slow overnight train was all that was on offer. He could have left the ceremony early, but that would be seen as a snub to Glasgow, a snub to Scotland and a snub to the 2.7 billion population if the Commonwealth.
A sort of super snub!
You would guess such minutiae would not be of any budgetary concern for a PM, but it might open his eyes as to the need for a proper Great British Railways with consistent fares.
You might also guess that a PM would travel First Class where the single fares are even more ridiculous.
Not just ridiculous because of the mega bucks demanded for some journeys, but laughably ridiculous because of the difference between fares for the same journey.
Crackpot!... always subtly understated; and maybe a few advisers.
The alternative would be to travel with his head heavily bandaged ...
... H G Wells ' Invisible Man' style. Assuming this was deemed to provocative, security-wise, there would have been several First Class fares to buy!
No doubt H M Govt would get a substantial "frequent user" discount, plus treble Air Miles and "free" drinks and nibbles, of course.
Surely Andy should have let the train take the strain?
Docklands Development Part 2
The historic train service ran from Stratford (off map, north) via Canning Town and Custom House to North Woolwich. Its replacement Docklands route follows the Silvertown Tramway (a freight line) ...... before diverting via London City Airport and plunging under the Thames to the real (south) Woolwich.
Also we see the DLR via Custom House which continues to Beckton and, one day, may reach Thamesmead. Also at Custom House there is the Elizabeth Line line, also to Woolwich and on to Abbey Wood.
Entering lower left is the Jubilee Line to Stratford and the overpriced Cable Car from nowhere very significant across the Thames to nowhere very significant on the Greenwich sticky out bit.
So where will the new Thames Wharf DLR station be?
Hard to tell except that it will be between Canning Town and West Silvertown - somewhere near the Silvertown Tunnel's northern portal.That "Wharf" might be the site of the historic 'Thames Wharf' which is graciously donating its name to the new DLR station.
Because the area is either 'blasted heath' or industrial land awaiting 'repurposing', Google maps presents a challenge. Also bear in mind that Google Maps is not (whisper it quietly) always up-to-date.
Let us c what fbb can c!
Google Earth shows us the (unfinished) entrance to the now-open Silvertown Tunnel, top left ...... and West Silvertown DLR station bottom right.
Then we were able to read this yesterday.
a gap in the viaduct due west of the western end of Royal Victoria Dock, between Canning Town and West Silvertown stations - was passively safeguarded for a future station.
fbb does not think that DLR trains have been plunging through the gap in the viaduct to complete destruction. That would have been in all the papers!
Open Street Map may have a clue.
There, near the tunnel portal, is a bit if Docklands track that is coloured differently.
Could this be the 'gap in the viaduct'? The "Ian Visits" blog has an early map ...
.... which looks about right. The dotty line at the new station is the Silvertown Tunnel.So what can we see on Google Streetview?
Not a lot!
That is because the under-construction Silvertown Tunnel just confuses everything, including fbb; but we can look east and see the cable car ...
... and, looking west, we can see the DLR veering a little further south. In that gap on the right ......is where the Silverown Tunnel mouth is now to be found.If we look North on Google Earth we may be able to spot a change in the earth formation on the DLR. Does it look like ...
... a possible Thames Wharf station site? Well now, if we spin round and look south ...
... we can clearly see a "gap in the viaduct" where the new station will be built.
You saw it first on an fbb blog!
P.S. In case you wondered. This is the Sikvertown Tunnel north portal from road level.The big blue-green flower pot is the control tower.
Wot No Eccles?
Pictures of Goon Show characters are rare as it was a programme in the steam radio. The above recreates some imagined charters. From left to right we have the sophisticated Herrcules Grytpype Thynne, the blustering Major Denis Bloodnok and, of course, the intellectually challenged Eccles.
Or here is Eccles tram terminus, Greater Manchester.But fbb's Eccles is neither if these. If a cream cake contains cream, a currant bun contains currants and a chocolate eclair is smothered in chocolate, you would assume an eccles cake would be filled with "eccles ".The one fbb bought as a Saturday tea time treat ...... wasn't!
It was almost completely bereft of 'eccles'. fbb counted eight currants and that was all.
It's back to a jam doughnut next week.
Tomorrow we return to a Bargain Basement blog.
Next Commuter Coach blog : Mon 27 July
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