The Elizabeth Line line
We know, because fbb has gone on about it incessantly, that The Elizabeth Line line is the only Underground line called "line". You can check on the TfL website "status updates" list.
Notice, of course, that Thameslink, now included on the Underground map, does not feature!
A recent snippet in a London newspaper confirmed the complications.
It has become one of London’s great transport talking points: is the Elizabeth line a Tube line or a train line?
The answer, says Transport for London, is neither: rather, the “Lizzie line” is in a class of its own.
But that has left some passengers puzzled about fares - whether they are the same as the Tube, and whether pay-as-you-go fare capping also applies.
TfL’s customer director Emma Strain admits the situation is confusing. She said: “Some people think it’s a Tube line. Some think it isn’t a Tube line. Both of them are confused. It is a tricky one for us.”
Just a reminder ...
The line to Reading is definitely National Rail and is outside the TfL fare zones. So it is a National Rail line.
The Heathrow branches are in Zone 6, so it acts just like an Underground line. Only it doesn't. In a desperate attempt to (a) make some more money and (b) keep the Government happy, Mr Khan decreed that all fares to Heathrow should be at peak rates - but only if you travel from or via Zone 1.
Potty!
Central London is obviously "Underground" with normal zone fares.
The zones system continues along the Shenfield branch, BUT ...
... Brentwood is in Zone 9 but the terminus is in the National Rail fares system. And to add to the confusion there are no zone 7 or zone 8 stations on this bit! The branch to Abbey Wood ...
The standard one day Travelcard includes Zones 1 to 6; so when fbb nips up to town to "do" the Elizabeth Line line he can only travel Between West Drayton and Heathrow in the west and Harold Wood and Abbey Wood in the east.
... is a simple zone 4 line.
But ALL Elizabeth Line line stations appear on the National Rail journey planner, as do ALL Overground stations and ALL Thameslink stations. Of course, they all appear on the Transport for London Journey Planner with the exception of routes involving Thameslink!
It is a mess. But the article is, essentially correct.
Elizabeth line fares are the same as the Tube on journeys within TfL’s nine fare zones, which extend to Brentwood.
But passengers travelling to and from Shenfield in the east, and to or from all stations beyond West Drayton in the west, are charged “special” rates equivalent to national rail fares. Premium fares are also levied on journeys to and from Heathrow.
TfL board members have become concerned at the cost of using the Elizabeth line to outlying stations, particularly those west of London, where punctuality has plummeted due to track problems.
An ongoing programme of track repairs and replacement begins over the Christmas shut-down and beyond. Notwork Rail (NOT TfL!) are warning of on-going work on the Reading line.
You wonder why this was not done as part of the whole Elizabeth Line line project!
Oyster cards cannot be used west of West Drayton — meaning passengers have to use contactless or buy a paper ticket.
BUT
You can use Oyster Pay As You Go in London on all suburban trains stopping in Zones 1 – 9 and journeys to:
Broxbourne, Rye House, St. Margarets, Ware and Hertford East
Gatwick Airport
Merstham, Redhill, Earlswood, Salfords and Horley
Ockendon, Chafford Hundred, Purfleet and Grays
Epsom
Cuffley, Bayford and Hertford North
Radlett and Potters Bar
So what had Reading done to upset Oyster?
And as a final piece of philosophical fun, you can read up all about National Rail tickets marked "via Thameslink" or "London Terminals".
An illustration of the Elizabeth Line line ticket conditions.
Overground Overly Obfuscating
The Overground lines (but not, of course, the Elizabeth Line line or Thameslink) are coloured orange on the Tfl Underground map.
Now Mr Khan has decided that the lines need to be individually named and he is going to spend a huge sum of money (that he han't got) doing it.
Hmmm? But whatever you do, Mr Khan, don't make a simple straightforward decision to use the names most folk use already. Please note, only extracts from the Overground map are shown.
There is the Watford Line ...
... The Goblin Line ...
Goblin? Gospel Oak to Barking LINe! Well it is no worse than "Bakerloo".
... The Enfield, Cheshunt and ...
... Chingford Lines ...
They all converge on Liverpool Street and, back in the day carried the "Jazz" steam-hauled services.
The brand returned briefly in the 1980s.
So that might be a good name.
... The Big Circle That Isn't ...
Once four distinct routes; the West London, North London, East London and South London lines, the Overground knitted these together into a more coherent group of services,
Based on services operated you might need three names (North, West and East?).
Bit rather than deciding on names (remember the underwhelming Superloop bus brand?) Mr Khan is joining the "Diversity" bandwagon and possible vote grabber.
So be prepared for some crazy and unpopular names which "promote diversity"!!
Back in 2015 there was a proposal to use coloured lines ("cased", i.e. with a hite line own the middle) for each of the services. Maps are available on line ...
... but not good enough to see the full detail. The "Jazz" lines are green.
The colours do appear, however, in a better sized list.
Another weird anomaly, easy to overlook, is ...
STIOP PRESS - At 2140 yesterday evening fbb found a high quality map showing the Overground in different colours - and different also from the note above. fbb will include an appropriate PS in tomorrow's blog. They look so much better than the current all orange.
... The Emerson Park Line ...
... which links National Rail services, the Underground District line and out old friend the Elizabeth Line line.
Bit it is all desperately in need of clarification, simplification and, above all, a sensible integrated fares system with understandable and logical zones.
Bit it is all desperately in need of clarification, simplification and, above all, a sensible integrated fares system with understandable and logical zones.
And please, please, sort out Thameslink!
Fat chance, because of self-interested financial and a so-called commercial pressures.
Oh for a fully integrated transport system for London!
Hoping to go to Finland tomorrow, where we may find a fully integrated system.
Next Nordic Tram blog : Tuesday 17th October
When the Lea Valley lines were electrified, the services to Chingford; Enfield and Cheshunt were known as the CHENFORD lines. Any branding needs to be inclusive, as trains swop between the branches in a day-long cycle.
ReplyDeleteI suspect, over the next few years, the "line" in Elizabeth Line will be quietly dropped . . . it was probably sensible to call it by its full name to start things off.
The confusion over fares is what happens when politicians demand action without understanding the consequences, and there is nobody brave enough (or astute enough) to stand up and point out the pitfalls. Remember that, back in the day, TOCs had an interest in setting fares, as their profits were dependent upon fares charged. Hence Shenfield being outside the zones (Shenfield is also an interchange with "regular" train services (as is Watford Junction, of course). Reading is well outside London (Zone 14?), and giving a discount to those millions travelling fast to London would've destroyed GwR revenues.
Now, of course . . . no TOCs are bothered about revenue income, so it "could" be sorted out . . . but that's down to DaFT now . . . far too politically difficult, and Harper doesn't understand trains anyway, like Shapps didn't either . . .