Tuesday 3 October 2023
Very Handy Andy : Fine And Dandy (2)
Manchester Mega-Mayor Andy Burnham has made much of his desire to have an integrated transport system like that in London. But, as we shall see, London's "system" is very far from integrated.
Yesterday, we saw that National Rail was offering a fare of £6.70 for one stop on the Elizabeth Line line between Paddington and Bond Street (it has, fbb understands, stopped being called Burberry Street!). But this is the stalwart work of the National Rail web site.
Perhaps Transport for London will have a better offer. It certainly has a more complicated set of search results which give all sorts of baffling options if you are foolish enough to ask the wrong question.
There are certainly plenty of Paddingons to consider!integrated failure covering 0 kilometres in 0 minutes! Well done TfL.
But, unlike National Rail, TfL does not show fares on its journey planner - you just have to know by some magic of metal telepathy.
So you might choose the bus-only option.at double the fare (?) when one bus will get you there!
integrated transport questions in London, illustrating how well integrated the system is in the Capital. he would like to work out where Bond Street station is and how you get there from Selfridges.
In case you wondered, there is no Bond Street at Bond Street underground station. New Bond Street is a block further east.
So, back to fbb's second set of questions based on a possible integrated journey from London Bridge Station to Kings Cross and/or St Pancras (International stations?).
Here is the TfL plus National Rail map.BLACK) and Thameslink (DASHED CHERRY RED).
Thameslink is a National Rail service only recently allowed on to the standard Underground map itself.
Of course we would expect the fare on Thameslink to be the same, not only the same as on the Northern Line, but also the same (£6.70, remember) as charged on the Elizabeth Line line.
But ...the Thameslink line fare is only £3.70. And yes, it is the same journey which costs £6.70 on the Northern Line, delightfully integrated.
But beware. Click on the "Fare info" link ...don't you DARE try to use your £3.70 Thameslink ticket on the Underground.
Integration? What integration?
What The National Rail Site Doesn't Tell ...
... is that no normal London citizen would ever pay £6.70 for an Underground ride. So why is that fare shown on the Journey Planner? It must be the integration at work.
Tomorrow, fbb will fill in the bus information between London Bridge and Kings Cross, or at least try to; and we will then have full details of the integrated system in London so prized by Manchester's Mayor Burnham.
How we all look forward to your London-style system in Manchester, Andy!!
Harvest Hymn - For Real.There are some slight differences in words in the third verse compared with the quiz.
They don't write powerful simple hymns like this any more!
Next Andy's Integrated blog : Wednesday 4th October