Tuesday 30 June 2020

Delayed Weekend Variety (2)

BL1 Some Answers & More Questions!
The tram replacement service referred to in yesterday's blog has been publicised at tram stops by the South Yorkshire PTE. Sadly this uses sheets of yellow paper encased in thin plastic.
Experience shows that these do not last, either removed as a jolly jape by Waterthorpe youff or blown off by a brisk South Yorkshire breeze. Idea (no consultancy fee required!) - why not put then INSIDE the timetable frames?

Destination screens in the buses are good ...
... with side screens correctly set up as well.
The buses have come from fellow C T Plus business in Leeds.
One mystery is solved, however. These timetables differ from that published on the TSY web site. The non-existant "Waterthorpe" place names ...
... are gone, replaced with the more sensible Crystal Peaks.
Generally passenger numbers were less than minimal. But, as the tram line has been closed since June 6th, people will have adapted. Indeed, unless you regularly trawl on-line you might not even know the bus service had appeared. The posters are at tram stops which have had no service for four weeks - so why would you go there to look?

One correspondent reported that potential passengers were uneasy about travelling because it looked as if the BL1 service was limited stop. in fact it calls at or near all tram stops en route.

But how would you know? This is a picture of the timetable frame at Gleadless Town End tram stop.
Utter clutter!

There is a "stay safe" (NINE steps) poster partially covering the (wrong?) timetable on BLUE paper, the replacement bus timetable with the YELLOW border, a general explanation of tram services on WHITE and a small multicoloured map. (click on the pic to enlarge it)
IT actually lists all stops served by bus BL1. Excellent, but it is far too small, barely legible behind a dirty glass. fbb has not found this map on either the PTE or the Supertram web sites - so it ISN'T ALL on line.

As usual with the PTE/TSY it is all a bit of a mess.

What is needed is one simple poster, timetable and map, filling the frame so people spot straightaway what is going on.

Of course it would have helped enormously if the replacement bus has started running when the trams stopped rather than four weeks later.

No, it is a really BIG mess.

Thanks to Roy and Matt for the pictures. They have been out and about on the first day of the replacement bus service.

P.S. Roy reports that the yesterday's on-tram recorded announcement about the disruption said there were NO REPLACEMENT BUSES.

Beyond belief!

London Electric
The Twitterati report on two London bus routes now "going electric". Both are lettered routes and thus a bit more interesting than the usual main line services. Ian Armstring's London Bus Routes gives full info, so fbb won't bother repeating it here.

The C10 ...
... originally ran from Victoria via a "back street" route to Elephant and Castle. It began in 1991 and has "enjoyed" a number of operators over the years ...
... but is now in the hands of the government of the Netherlands. Later extended to Canada Water is does a full tour of the former Surrey and Commercial docks.
Many aeons ago, a teenage fbb, accompanied by Alan from Northampton, rode round in a flat fare single deck P2 ...
... on a similar circuit; but back then the docks were all still there, but moribund.
Now only the Greenland Dock and the South Dock are still wet.
A few bits of the old Rotherhithe Street remain, mostly old warehouses turned into flats or newbuild.
This (below) was a few years before fbb's visit!
Abellio have also assumed responsibility for the P5.
Formerly with GoAhead London Central, Abellio took over as recently at 2nd May 2020.
Its route is entertainingly wiggly between Elephant and Castle and Patmore Estate.
For those, like fbb, for whom Patmore Estate is a complete mystery, this aerial view (Google Earth) will explain all.
Got it?

Clapham Junction is just out of shot lower left, Waterloo ditto upper right, and Victoria upper left. For the record, and zooming in ...
... the nearest station as the fly crows might well be Queenstown Road Battersea, although how (whether?) you get between the two is beyond fbb.

But the newest takeover by Abellio (from last Saturday night!) is the 285 (click on graphic to enlarge).
Abellio are dead keen to tell you (via Twitter) what a wonderful experience this will be ...
... but whether most Londoners will notice - or care - is doubtful.
What they're getting from last Sat looks fine to fbb.

Stay Safe - A Question
At which of these stops would you feel most safe when waiting for your bus?
Number 1?
Number 2?
OR Number 3?
Answers, please, to Sheffield City Council who have removed all the buses from 3 and put them in a poor quality, ill-lit backstreet, 1 and 2.

Clever eh?

And Where ...
... might this rather battered Travel South Yorkshire dolly stop sign be located? There is a clue.
Answer tomorrow ...

... when we return to Burton upon Trent.

The promised Porthmadog and Manchester items will appear later.

 Next "Rare Delight" blog : Wednesday 1st July 


  1. SYT stops like this appear in Leeds quite often, I think one of the contractors puts them out when they dig holes! The bus looks like one of our Leeds City Streetdecks. Keep up the good work,enjoy reading your blog every morning. Many thanks.

    1. It won't be TSY. It'll be some overly efficient contractor who will have swept it up (accidentally?) when it was located near to their set of roadworks, and so it gets transplanted in future to other non South Yorkshire locations.

      That said, this blog has long descended into FBB (and his mate Roy) just slagging off TSY.

      That and a constant complaint about things being wrong on the internet.

      At the top of the page, our blogger says "Daily blogging is "the norm" and will continue until fbb runs out of ideas!" - with the continued return to slagging off TSY, it seems that fbb has indeed run out of ideas.

    2. This is a more general problem with temporary bus stops, one of the reasons why operators often no longer offer any themselves. What generally happens is that the contractors of the roadworks load up everything including the temporary stop when they pack up so it, 'accidentally', becomes part of their kit wherever they are going next (often some distance from the branding on the stop), you regularly see TfL branded stops across the country. We used to have a few temporary stops at my company but they all vanished within a year and were never replaced as they are quite expensive.

    3. Indeed, we have had the same problem. Our final "dolly" spent its whole time decorating the stair-well at County Hall as we never had need of it at a location we felt happy to take it. Nowadays our "flagman" will find a suitably located lamp post or road sign for a temporary flag and shin up his ladder. He will also post a notice at the usual stop to explain the location of the alternative, of course.

      No matter how many signs we put up people don't read them. The classic I recall is 2 older ladies standing at a clearly closed stop, waiting for their bus. Our Monitoring Officer had to shout at them to advise them the stop was closed as they couldn't otherwise hear her above the din of the machine that rips up the road surface for re-surfacing which was crawling past the stop at the time!

      All we need now is for contractors to start work when they say they will, stick to the location advised and then let us know when they've done....

  2. As pointed out yesterday, the tram replacement bus map is with all the other rail replacement information here

  3. I'm guessing A65 Otley Road, Guiseley

  4. Andrew Kleissner30 June 2020 at 14:12

    Perhaps it's somewhere really weird, such as Beijing, Mumbai or Rio de Janeiro.

  5. Meanwhile, In Exeter Stagecoach have severed services E and F. Services E1 and E2 now run from South Street to Exwick. Services F1 and F2 now run from Sidwell Street to Stoke Hill and Summerway. None of these routes now serve High Street.

    1. Which would be more interesting to feature on this local Seaton blog than the far flung content constantly particularly with so much happening in SW as well!!