Another Whoops!
fbb forgot to tell you what the Bearded Bus Beautifier from the Bush thought was nuts! The remark was in response to a twitter.
London has some of the worst bus publicity in the UK.
There are no timetables anywhere on the TfL site.
There is no network map or even some area maps.
The declining number of spider maps are near to useless.
And, surprise, TfL is now beginning a massive reduction in services "due to a decline in passenger numbers".
Perhaps Mr Khan ...
... needs to seek the Wisdom of Mr Khan.
Mike Harris produces the London Network map as supplied for many years by the predecessors of TfL.
So why cannot TfL just order a gazillion copies from Mike, thus supporting his charities and providing visitors with some idea where the buses go. Sadly, from TfL ...
IT ISN'T ALL ON LINE
Another Day, Another Bus Station
The brick wall on the far right is the link between these pictures ...
... seen better from above!
From the casual perambulation of non-passengers, we may assume that this was an exhibition of the latest vehicles on opening day in 1957.
By the late 1960s, an office block had been built above the station. Its building supports ate into the platforms and so reduced the available space.
It was a dismal place ...
... but that wall was still there. The station closed on 2 July 2000, as part of developments of the site, which included a new bus station and Scotland's first Harvey Nichols store.
During its reconstruction, a number of issues appeared. Several bus operators complained that the departure fees were too high and planned not to transfer services back into the bus station. Plans were considered that would have moved the bus station within four years to a new redevelopment at Waverley. In a report to councilors, the director of city development, Andrew Holmes, said: "With the delivery of this project now a firm prospect in the next few years, there are potentially opportunities for accommodating integrated facilities for strategic bus services".
The new, more modern bus station opened in February 2003, four months late. It was built and is owned by Coal Pension Properties, as part of the redeveloped site, and is leased by The City of Edinburgh Council.
Still underground but not quite so dismal.
And, Talking Of Edinburgh ...
Above: trams old and new and below ...
... the advantage of trams. They can speed through congestion like that on Princes Street!
Just The Right Word
It is a London Underground map that replaces current station names with their historical origin. (click on the map above for an enlargement). fbb likes "Muddy Pond Street", "Stream in a Sacred Wood" and "Efe's Farm".
fbb cannot guarantee their accuracy - but they are fun!
Not Quite, Metropolitan Railway
The optimism of the Railway Companies as they expanded their services is legendary. Here is the "Met" showing you a picture of part of Watford shopping centre. The white building is still there.
The company even built a station right in the middle of the High Street. Only they didn't.
The property purchased by the Metropolitan Railway at 44 High Street is located on the western side of the street close to the junction with Clarendon Road. The original building was named Derby House, and after extensive refurbishment in 1916 which included refacing of the frontage and the addition of two medallions of Queen Victoria, the rear garden was opened as The Empress Winter Gardens and Tea Lounge.
The premises still stand today and have local listed building status, although the elaborate Winter Garden buildings which once stood behind the property have been demolished. After acquisition by the Metropolitan Railway in 1927, 44 High Street was let out to a succession of tenants and eventually passed to the Lewis Omnibus Company ...
... which was itself taken over by the London Passenger Transport Board in 1933. In the following years, the building was used as a furniture shop and later it became a branch of the clothing retailer, Next. Today the building is occupied by Wetherspoons as The Moon Under Water public house.Oddly, although the frontage was not built as a station, it does have a Metropolitan Railway "look" about it.
Watford "Met" Station ...... is a good mile from Wetherspoons, and thus a good mile from the cheery location on the original poster.It's a long way to walk!
It's The Real Thing fbb was jealous of his young chums who had what appeared to fbb to be a vast collection of Dinky Toys. A bit like Model Railways, nowadays diecast models are much more a plaything of the wealthy adult than toys for little boys.
The Oxford range (a company based, as its name suggests, in Swansea) is huge. Here is one page of their current promo stuff showing some of the different taxis they make, all 1/76 scale the equivalent of OO in model railway terms.Their current on line catalogue lists 29 vehicles in Coca Cola livery of which those below are recent releases ...... although some are shown as "out of stock".
fbb was too underwhelmed to count the number of Land Rover models on offer but it is about 100!
But little vehicles are exquisite and superbly detailed for such small models. The headline in this month's Oxford news sheet is a new version of the Austin Healey Sprite, nicknamed (for obvious reasons) The Frog Eye!It is barely 3 centimetres long.
It almost makes fbb want to start a collection. But what of - and where will he keep them as fbb mansions fills up with railway modelling stuff?
Next scheduled blog : Monday 28th March
WRONG!! The "maybe" Watford Metropolitan Station was much further away from the Town Centre picture shown above; although the poster does imply the location, it is incorrect. The Moon Under Water is also not the site of the station.
ReplyDeleteOnly 2/10, fbb . . . not that you'll admit to any mistakes!!
Even the London Underground Railway Society reckons its 44 High Street
Deletehttps://www.lurs.org.uk/01%20oct%20BY%20THE%20MET.%20TO%20WATFORD.pdf but tracng one of the photos in the article reveals that the address is now 8 and 10 The Parade, High Street.
The property on The Parade (now a building society) is clearly an entirely different building to 44 High Street. I think this is an error by the London Underground Railway Society.
DeleteSorry Mr Greenline. I don't understand your comment. And I admit to many mistakes when I can understand what they are!
ReplyDeleteI'd be interested to hear Greenline727's explanation, as his criticism is a little cryptic and I don't think FBB is really that wrong for what is a brief snippet?
DeleteMy understanding (based only off some rapid research this morning) runs roughly as follows.
The Met poster dates to 1925 and shows the market at Watford (NB the white building shown on the picture is nothing to do with the Met and is a different building to that being subsequently discussed by FBB).
The original intention was for the line to terminate closer to the town centre, roughly where West Herts College is now (close to the northern end of the High Street). The site of the present station was to be a goods yard only. I'll refer to this as PLAN A and maybe what Greenline727 is alluding to?
Delays due to war, engineering complexities and disagreement with the council led to PLAN A being abandoned and the terminus was relocated to the site of the goods yard (west of Cassiobury park) and some distance from the town centre (a bus link was provided). This (PLAN B) station opened in 1925 and is the service advertised in the poster shown by FBB.
The distance from the station to town centre was unsatisfactory, which led to the development of a PLAN C in 1927 when the Met was alerted to the option to purchase a property on the High Street which had enough land to the rear to accommodate a small terminus. This property was No 44 (Empress Tea Rooms and Winter Gardens) as illustrated by FBB. The property was duly purchased (and then immediately let-out on a temporary lease in 1927. Approval was given for the extension in 1929 which would have required a new tunnel to be constructed to reach the proposed terminus. The extension was never commenced and 44 High Street was quickly sold on (and is now The Moon Under Water).
Perhaps what Greenline727 is alluding to is that FBB may have (along with many other sources, including the London Underground Railway Society pdf) possibly conflated PLAN A with PLAN C? Of course there's a more recent scheme (PLAN D) also abandoned, but that's another tale.
Watford Met
ReplyDeleteThe extension of the Met to central Watford and the purchase of 44 High Street was also given in the local press last June.
https://www.hertfordshiremercury.co.uk/news/hertfordshire-news/watford-tube-station-wetherspoons-pub-5517352
The tube map is fun. The whole image can be found at: https://www.wondersoflondon.com/here-is-a-map-with-the-etymology-of-every-single-london-tube-station/
ReplyDeleteI thought Liverpool Street was named after Lord Liverpool, rather than a muddy pond. Fun map though!
ReplyDeleteThe site that became Watford "Met" Station was originally intended to be a goods depot. The Met. had to proceed with the extension despite the less-than-ideal terminus. The original plan was to electrify to Rickmansworth, following the success of its electrified Uxbridge service, but Rickmansworth station was on a constrained site and could not be expanded sufficiently to cope on its own.
I noticed on the hysterical tube map that the Chesham (or Ealhamund’s House) branch strikes off the main Met line in completely the wrong direction. Truly the past was a different place.
ReplyDeleteThe confusion arises because the building numbering on Watford High Street changes opposite Clarendon Road!! If fbb has used the numbering south of Clarendon Road, then the Moon Under Water is close enough to being at No.44, but it's still wrong.
ReplyDeleteIn fact, the correct location for the "proposed" Met Station is further north still . . . the site is now disguised by a modern frontage, and only visible on Google behind a hoarding (June 2018 image capture).
The best reference is in Alan A Jackson's "London's Metropolitan Railway" published by David and Charles in 1986. That also marks the location at 44 High Street!!
The comment above of the building being at 8-10 The Parade is probably the best locator.
Much of Watford's original buildings are now hidden by modern frontages, which does make identification difficult.
Maybe I was a tad harsh about fbb's efforts, but . . .
My comment about fbb's accuracy is based upon his scurrilous comments about Metroline's Route 84 in his post of 9 February 2022, in which he denegrated the efforts of Metroline to publicise and improve Route 84.
As the directly responsible person for these routes from 2015 onwards (and also for several years from 2000 onwards), I replied to his post setting out much of what had been tried over 5 years prior to 2020. I asked fbb for an apology, as his remarks were both annoying and incorrect.
I'm still waiting . . .
Sorry Greenline727, but I think in this instance FBB's identification is correct.
DeleteThe historic black and white photo reproduced by FBB is the High Street property, number 44, purchased by the Metropolitan. In FBB's photo you can see the Empress name above the left bay. There are higher resolution versions of this image available elsewhere which show the flanking properties to be numbered 42 and 46. In these higher resolution images it is possible to read the two signs on the first floor outer bays. These are Metropolitan signs, the one on the left promoting cheap tickets to London City and the West End; the one on the right is advertising the Metropolitan's station bus "starting from St Mary's Road" and with an arrow pointing intending passengers in the right direction. The notice board in the right hand bay window is headed Metropolitan Railway also. There is no doubt the building in the historic image is number 44 as purchased by the Metropolitan.
This building is very clearly the same as the modern-day Moon Under Water. The ground floor Street frontage has obviously been replaced, but the upper floors match well. It has been rendered and some of the decorative detail has been lost, but the upper parapet frieze with decorative panels survives intact. The parapet is divided into three sections, separated by stepped pilasters. The outer sections feature oval medallions (of Victoria according to FBB) and centrally there is a name plaque. These can all clearly be seen on historic and modern views.
Crucially the higher resolution versions of the 1920s photo show more of the adjoining properties, especially that to the left, which was Wren & Sons sports outfitters. Again this is a clear match for what is now the charity shop next to The Moon Under Water. Less of the right hand property is visible in the high resolution version of the 1920s photo of the building to the right, but it can be seen to have a lower shop front (then for a booksellers) and was a building of at least THREE full floors (now either fully refronted or rebuilt).
The property on the Parade shown in the London Underground Railway Society publication and referred to above as being No 44 (renumbered) is clearly wrongly identified. I can say that confidently, because the building next door is a sixteenth century TWO storey timber house with carriage entrance. This surviving sixteenth century building is definitely not that in the 1920s photo.
FBB is correct in his identification of the Moon Under Water as being the old Empress Winter Gardens and Tea Lounge.
It is embarrassing to say, but whilst I've always assumed that the building intended as the Met Railway Watford High Street terminus was at the NW end of what is now the High Street (effectively where the current Pond is); I am now convinced that I've been wrong for 40+ years!! I shall have to visit Watford in the next few days and see for myself.
ReplyDeleteMy fulsome apologies to fbb . . . and my thanks to Ben for his researches.
Hi Greenline727 - I think the location you describe matches the appropriate site that was originally intended for the terminus, which I've called Plan A in one of my responses above. Nothing was started (as far as I can tell) on this station which was to front onto Hempstead Road at the NW end of the High Street (near the town hall). Instead the terminus was moved to the present 1925 station site. FBBs non-station was a later (1927/9) proposed site for a town centre terminus. In a sense you're both right ;) (provided my researching is correct?!).
DeleteThanks, Ben . . . aaahhh . . . that starts to make some sense now. I had just assumed that the original 1912-ish station proposal was continued in the 1927/9-ish proposal.
DeleteI'm sure that I've seen a diagrammatic plan somewhere of the proposed routing of the railway itself . . . but despite looking through my library(!) I can't find them now!! Two different sites seems logical now.
Thanks again . . .
Of course the railway from Watford High Street to Rickmansworth did get electrified ... but that was the old LNWR line, now closed, quite different from the Met although for a time it did use Tube (Bakerloo Line) cars.
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