tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post1262671843772595733..comments2024-03-25T22:17:35.616+00:00Comments on Public Transport Experience: Passengers for Pill, Portway and Portishead (2)fatbusblokehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-71718785820461271952019-04-19T15:26:46.532+01:002019-04-19T15:26:46.532+01:00There's no problem with loop services being sh...There's no problem with loop services being shown on registrations, the TC's staff and the monitoring staff are clued up enough to know what they're looking at and wouldn't be looking for two buses at the same time.<br />There's no problem in showing loops in both directions on Traveline for timetable look up or maps but it can occasionally confuse the journey planner when there are what looks to be two departures at the same time on the loop, with one going further than the other. It's usually better to use the guaranteed connection function in the software. This is a simple operaton that connects the journeys at the specific arrival/departure stop and effectively suppresses the journey planners attempts to tell you to get off and wait for another bus. It does help if the operator mentions the connections on the registration but it looks from the timetable snippets shown that outbound X4 returns as X4 etc. which is easy to set up. If they were returning as a different number there would be a lot of combinations to create.<br />It really needs an additional time point between Combe Road (A) and Combe Road (B) as it is obvious (if only to the local passengers)from the 18 minutes running time that buses are going round a loop.<br />Whilst First on line timetables are managed internally, their journey planner is simply a filtered (to remove non First responses)portal to Traveline South West's journey planner.<br />Ken Traveline South West (Dorset)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-35915963089544128462019-04-19T07:11:16.408+01:002019-04-19T07:11:16.408+01:00This is a bizarre situation when so many apps and ...This is a bizarre situation when so many apps and websites use the Traveline data as the very data upon which they function.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-92158562711681822352019-04-18T17:55:41.103+01:002019-04-18T17:55:41.103+01:00I tried my normal journey planner travelinesouthea...I tried my normal journey planner travelinesoutheast and it works as expected for non-loop service data. On all journeys you have to change from Bristol at Coombe road stop A (on Combe Road) (note spellings) and catch the next departure on X3/X4/X5. What is on the bus destination display? A non local would arrive 15 mins early, unless they followed the computer and got off and waited. Most passengers are local and know what happens.<br /><br />The timetable could be given as Bristol to Bristol, but then it is hard to find the Portishead routes at all. If Redcliff Bay had a timing point it would help, but that has operational consequences. There is a generic issue to be solved with loop terminals, particularly as here the timing point is not on the loop.<br /><br />As always if you are doing it for real, there are real people to ask.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-50886584603902083622019-04-18T13:28:16.914+01:002019-04-18T13:28:16.914+01:00And there in lies the problem. The quality of data...And there in lies the problem. The quality of data in Traveline has plummeted in recent years and there doesn't seem to be any motivation to fix it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-58346968633705913832019-04-18T10:08:24.955+01:002019-04-18T10:08:24.955+01:00Is the problem with loop services that the data us...Is the problem with loop services that the data used in public-facing journey planners the same as that supplied as registrations to the Traffic Commissioner? If this showed all the loop stops as being served both at the end of one direction and the beginning of the other, the TC monitors, who monitor compliance with registered timetables, would be looking for two buses where only one exists and would record a 50% failure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-21779819377996174822019-04-18T06:40:58.847+01:002019-04-18T06:40:58.847+01:00Traveline is only as good as the data supplied to ...Traveline is only as good as the data supplied to it by operators. Operators public facing data is only as good as that in the Traveline API’s that most use whether directly or through third party developers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com