<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108</id><updated>2012-02-25T21:34:54.154Z</updated><category term='south west'/><category term='wales'/><category term='East Midlands'/><category term='ferries'/><category term='transport policy'/><category term='rail fares'/><category term='Isle of Wight'/><category term='Transport Direct'/><category term='Oxford'/><category term='eastern England'/><category term='National Rail'/><category term='stops and tickets'/><category term='London'/><category term='Grand Central'/><category term='Stagecoach'/><category term='Manchester'/><category term='America'/><category term='Scotland'/><category term='South Central'/><category term='north west'/><category term='xephos'/><category term='miscellany'/><category term='Traveline'/><category term='transport nostalgia'/><category term='Sheffield'/><category term='plusbus'/><category term='North East'/><category term='first bus'/><category term='timetables'/><category term='West Midlands'/><category term='West Country'/><category term='Yorkshire'/><category term='maps'/><category term='trams trolleybuses'/><category term='timnetables'/><category term='Europe'/><category term='Go Ahead'/><category term='South East'/><title type='text'>Public Transport Experience</title><subtitle type='html'>A  collection of posts which expose failings (and, occasionally, successes!) in our public transport system; most of which could be easily solved or improved. There's plenty of nostalgia, too.
&lt;p&gt;Despite a previous announcement to the contrary, daily blogging was resumed from Monday 6th June 2011 and will continue until fbb runs out of ideas!&lt;/p&gt;</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><link rel='next' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default?start-index=101&amp;max-results=100'/><author><name>fatbusbloke</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='26' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Zpc3ZPT1bAg/TL2ujD2R6PI/AAAAAAAAAYg/gZfFdSHx8To/S220/Pict0014.JPG'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>442</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-8010603354536119203</id><published>2012-02-25T01:36:00.002Z</published><updated>2012-02-25T07:45:19.542Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='transport policy'/><title type='text'>Yes, Minister</title><content type='html'>The Bed of Nails&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For Christmas, Mrs fbb gave fbb a full set of DVDs for the "Yes Minister" and "Yes Prime Minister" series of &amp;nbsp;TV comedies.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aBA1SYZzK5w/T0YeNUVgQPI/AAAAAAAAHlI/dliqEHSQ59k/s1600/titles.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" lda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aBA1SYZzK5w/T0YeNUVgQPI/AAAAAAAAHlI/dliqEHSQ59k/s1600/titles.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;They present an all-too-true view of the continual battles between Jim Hacker, Minister for Administrative Affairs, and his Permanent Secretary, Sir Humphrey Appleby.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-o6XfftS9BHQ/T0YeaZMFzgI/AAAAAAAAHlQ/0DPldT4hpjY/s1600/titlescreen.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" lda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-o6XfftS9BHQ/T0YeaZMFzgI/AAAAAAAAHlQ/0DPldT4hpjY/s1600/titlescreen.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;In this particular episode the Cabinet Secretary (John Nettleton) and the Prime Minister's Chief Special Adviser (Nigel Stock, of Holmes' Dr Watson fame) ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-o91FgCuzk0w/T0YekL0ZG4I/AAAAAAAAHlY/1608pix5Chw/s1600/appointment.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" lda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-o91FgCuzk0w/T0YekL0ZG4I/AAAAAAAAHlY/1608pix5Chw/s1600/appointment.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... are seeking to find a suitable candidate to implement the PM's plan for Integrated Transport.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The Cabinet Secretary wants "Lots of activity but no actual achievement," thus the hapless Hacker is manoeuvered into accepting the job of "Transport Supremo". Of course, all the civil servants involved, including Hacker's Sir Humphrey, realise that a better job title would be "Transport Muggins."&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;When Jim Hacker makes his proud announcement back in his own office, the conversation goes something like this ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6BKbcmPt25Y/T0YetlXvfvI/AAAAAAAAHlg/D46wpd8LCRY/s1600/thethree.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" lda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6BKbcmPt25Y/T0YetlXvfvI/AAAAAAAAHlg/D46wpd8LCRY/s1600/thethree.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Hacker :&lt;/b&gt; I have some good news, Humphrey. The Prime Minster has appointed me as his Transport Supremo.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Humphrey :&lt;/b&gt; Indeed, Minister. Now what was the good news?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;A meeting is arranged by the manipulative Appleby, attended by the Under Secretaries of the offices that handle the roads, the railways and buses, and the air industries.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-DzCMSsNplYQ/T0YfPvoTTMI/AAAAAAAAHl4/b-AhOQuo4FA/s1600/departments.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" lda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-DzCMSsNplYQ/T0YfPvoTTMI/AAAAAAAAHl4/b-AhOQuo4FA/s1600/departments.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Of course they each speak vehemently for the supremacy of their bit of the Department of Transport and equally vehemently of the political pitfalls of failing to develop rail or road or air, as appropriate for their department. Hacker slowly realises that he has, indeed, been asked to lie on a political "Bed of Nails". See "Recently Published Research Shows ..." (&lt;a &amp;nbsp;hrefr="http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/recently-published-research-shows.html" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=7432323264902617108&amp;amp;postID=8010603354536119203" target="_blank"&gt;read again&lt;/a&gt;). It is clear that implementing an Integrated Transport policy is beyond the political will and ability of any minister.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;"Omnibus" is, of course, a Latin word meaning "for all". This aphorism from Virgil is in Greek:-&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #666666;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #ffe599;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #b45f06;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; timeo Danaos et dona ferentes &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;One of the running jokes throughout the series is Jim Hacker's lack of a classical education; he went to the LSE, London School of Economics, and was thus intellectually despised because of the academic snobbery of the senior civil servants. When discussing the appointment of their chosen "Transport Supremo" or, more correctly, "Transport Muggins", the Cabinet Secretary [CS] reminds the Special Adviser [SA] of the phrase:-&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;CS :&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt; "Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes", as they say. But Sir Humphrey would quote it in English, roughly translated as "Beware Greeks bringing gifts"; as Hacker (&lt;i&gt;with a slight sneer&lt;/i&gt;) was at the LSE.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;SA :&lt;/b&gt; (&lt;i&gt;offended&lt;/i&gt;) So was I.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;CS :&lt;/b&gt; Oh, (&lt;i&gt;and with forceful emphasis&lt;/i&gt;) I am so sorry.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Tomorrow we shall reveal the dénoument, and, perhaps, see how real life mirrored this highly amusing episode. And the "star" of the non fiction production is none other that "Two Jags" ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yVyU-9C7084/T0YagmL0YDI/AAAAAAAAHlA/vwQFyl79BDM/s1600/prescott.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yVyU-9C7084/T0YagmL0YDI/AAAAAAAAHlA/vwQFyl79BDM/s1600/prescott.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: purple;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="right" style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... John Prescott.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: purple;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Next Blog : due Sunday&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: purple;"&gt; February 26th&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7432323264902617108-8010603354536119203?l=publictransportexperience.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/feeds/8010603354536119203/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/yes-minister.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/8010603354536119203'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/8010603354536119203'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/yes-minister.html' title='Yes, Minister'/><author><name>fatbusbloke</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='26' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Zpc3ZPT1bAg/TL2ujD2R6PI/AAAAAAAAAYg/gZfFdSHx8To/S220/Pict0014.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aBA1SYZzK5w/T0YeNUVgQPI/AAAAAAAAHlI/dliqEHSQ59k/s72-c/titles.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-1401092099726363824</id><published>2012-02-24T01:32:00.008Z</published><updated>2012-02-24T08:57:18.011Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='transport policy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='National Rail'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='rail fares'/><title type='text'>Recently Published Research Shows ...</title><content type='html'>that we have the highest fares in Europe.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;At the conclusion of yesterday's blog, warning of the inherent danger of "statistics", fbb promised s further look at this rather boring annual headline. Every January we read of "Commuter Fares Shock" as if it were a surprise, despite the infromation's having been published way back in the previous autumn.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-l2Cj_7-GeG0/T0T5VU4Zx3I/AAAAAAAAHjo/p0vPBExJfdM/s1600/guardian.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" lda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-l2Cj_7-GeG0/T0T5VU4Zx3I/AAAAAAAAHjo/p0vPBExJfdM/s1600/guardian.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;But do UK rail journeys cost more than those in Europe?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Statistically yes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Statistically no.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;It is quite possible, by choosing the right set of figures, to convince a typical London-orientated newspaper reader that all is doom and gloom on the fares front. But, by choosing another batch of prices, the tables can be turned and UK can offer cheaper fares that (almost) anywhere in Europe. Book-ahead fares and special offers can be farcically cheap as fbb has previously blogged.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aJc1CwiyqFI/T0T7e0-XT4I/AAAAAAAAHjw/7mOkQSuDbMU/s1600/ticket.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" lda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aJc1CwiyqFI/T0T7e0-XT4I/AAAAAAAAHjw/7mOkQSuDbMU/s1600/ticket.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;London to Portmouth Harbour for 45p. Beat that in Paris or Rome! See "Ho Ho Loco : Oh No!" (&lt;a href="http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2011/06/ho-ho-loco-oh-no.html" targert="_blank&amp;quot;"&gt;read again&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And the doom-mongers tend to forget that most of our johnny-foreigner chums across the channel pay higher taxes (direct and indirect) to support these cheap fares. At one stage (fbb does not have recent figures) fares on the Paris Metro covered only 25% of the costs; the rest came from various taxes and levies.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The Evening Standard was similarly appalled by the non-shock shock; which was actually LESS than originally announced; so a more pleasant shock than the original non-shock shock. Shocking!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nelUEyQleek/T0T-XxsXf4I/AAAAAAAAHj4/BrbS_0Id8x0/s1600/intheworld.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nelUEyQleek/T0T-XxsXf4I/AAAAAAAAHj4/BrbS_0Id8x0/s1600/intheworld.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Not only are the fares impossibly expensive, according to the "Standard", but the railway companies are even allowing trees to fall on the line to make matters worse.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;"And with high winds bringing disruption to some lines, including a tree on a line at Bellingham in south-east London, some were late for work despite paying an average of almost six per cent more for the privilege."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Comments added to the Guardian's on-line article were mainly equally vituperative; blaming "fat cat bosses", the rail unions, the government, Margaret Thatcher, Tony Blair, Colonel Gadafi etc. etc. Here is a sample:-&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;But our trains are 10 times slower, so it all evens out in the end.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Simply wrong.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;If car users had to pay for the cost of the road system in the same way that rail users did, cars would cost more than houses.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;How true : car travel is, and always will be, much more heavily subsidised than rail. Perhaps not as expensive as a house, but ...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-a1R-J_qmTqk/T0UtJZACOUI/AAAAAAAAHkA/Lu59orAqZAc/s1600/humber.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" lda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-a1R-J_qmTqk/T0UtJZACOUI/AAAAAAAAHkA/Lu59orAqZAc/s1600/humber.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;Humber Bridge : money well spent?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;I'm fed up with post-privatised industries using customers money to deliver "improvements to services". When the improvements are not delivered, the customers don't get their money back and the "regulators" are supine. They bark very loudly but do not seem to have the teeth to do anything.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;There is a bit of truth here; not much, but a bit.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OtzMI5dgXn0/T0UtgQli3_I/AAAAAAAAHkI/VTYKlRCVV6I/s1600/gner.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="264" lda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OtzMI5dgXn0/T0UtgQli3_I/AAAAAAAAHkI/VTYKlRCVV6I/s320/gner.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;every half hour to York : money well spent?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;I may be a taxpayer, but I'm not a rail user. Why should I pay for someone else to travel cheap?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;Now that is a very important question. Why should he?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-omQZm1unAkQ/T0UuWs1FpCI/AAAAAAAAHkQ/ewn43S_c4y8/s1600/overground.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" lda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-omQZm1unAkQ/T0UuWs1FpCI/AAAAAAAAHkQ/ewn43S_c4y8/s1600/overground.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;Overground : money well spent?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;The alternative model is to remove all market forces from the trains altogether and stop using price to regulate usage. This would require re-nationalisation and some sort of quota system to ensure we all don't try to get on the 1920 to Manchester at the same time.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;But, kind sir, wasn't nationalisation was a disaster for the railways? Mega incompetence and high destructive price rises. How easily we forget. Now if we could have nationalisation but ring fenced against repeated changes of government &lt;strike&gt;whim&lt;/strike&gt; policy?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;One or two comment writers broached the key questions which are ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Which do we want; substantially higher subsidies and thus cheaper fares (as in most of Europe) or lower taxes and thus lower subsidies? We cannot have both.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Do we really want to hand the railways back to full government control? Or perhaps entirely in private control? Would we really like similar instability to that of the bus industry?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Why should any railway company reduce fares when passenger numbers are increasing every year? Their job (and GB's public has voted in successive governments who have stuck to this) is to make money for their shareholders, NOT to be nice to commuters. If we don't like it, don't vote for them next time!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-r3SaqcEbSp8/T0dPGuUYukI/AAAAAAAAHnI/xD4wpputT70/s1600/ballot.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-r3SaqcEbSp8/T0dPGuUYukI/AAAAAAAAHnI/xD4wpputT70/s1600/ballot.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Power to the People?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now if a government were to introduce a stable National Transport Policy with structures that were difficult to change, at least for 25 years or so, some of these impossibly fraught questions might be resolved. Would a party offering something imaginative, stable and affordable win enough votes to carry the policy through?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Or is such a project just a political and departmental&amp;nbsp;"Bed of Nails"?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BBFrFvsqyoQ/T0ZEd-GBw1I/AAAAAAAAHnA/g6aPMuns-60/s1600/bedofnails.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="188" lda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BBFrFvsqyoQ/T0ZEd-GBw1I/AAAAAAAAHnA/g6aPMuns-60/s320/bedofnails.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;the chief assistant to the assistant chief under-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;secretary enjoying his usual post-prandial snooze&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;at the Department for Transport, Marsham Street&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;-------------------------------------------------------------------&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Tomorrow is fbb's birthday.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;A prime number between 1 &amp;amp; 100 &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;with consecutive digits.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Readers can have a guess. Not too tricky!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Family celebrations call the chubby one to &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Wantage. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Noteworthy Newbury niceties en route!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;------------------------------------------------------------------- &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: purple;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Next Blog : due Saturday&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: purple;"&gt; February 25th&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7432323264902617108-1401092099726363824?l=publictransportexperience.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/feeds/1401092099726363824/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/recently-published-research-shows.html#comment-form' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/1401092099726363824'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/1401092099726363824'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/recently-published-research-shows.html' title='Recently Published Research Shows ...'/><author><name>fatbusbloke</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='26' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Zpc3ZPT1bAg/TL2ujD2R6PI/AAAAAAAAAYg/gZfFdSHx8To/S220/Pict0014.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-l2Cj_7-GeG0/T0T5VU4Zx3I/AAAAAAAAHjo/p0vPBExJfdM/s72-c/guardian.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-4111543612331720660</id><published>2012-02-23T06:39:00.008Z</published><updated>2012-02-23T07:42:34.840Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='National Rail'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='rail fares'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='London'/><title type='text'>But, Mr Speaker, The Statistics Show ...</title><content type='html'>With thanks to Mark Twain, of "Huckleberry Finn" fame ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KQ6GReYE0EQ/T0SipHLaeeI/AAAAAAAAHh4/DyPkZnWf-zg/s1600/marktwain.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KQ6GReYE0EQ/T0SipHLaeeI/AAAAAAAAHh4/DyPkZnWf-zg/s1600/marktwain.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... we have the phrase "There are lies, damned lies and statistics!"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;The term was popularised in the United States by Twain (among others), who attributed it to the 19th-century British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli (1804–1881): "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." However, the phrase is not found in any of Disraeli's works and the earliest known appearances were years after his death. Many other possible originators of the phrase have been proposed.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ccAHi2dRSWc/T0TRCvtRVsI/AAAAAAAAHiQ/ph1_3T7zgxM/s1600/dottmap.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" lda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ccAHi2dRSWc/T0TRCvtRVsI/AAAAAAAAHiQ/ph1_3T7zgxM/s1600/dottmap.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;fbb has previously mentioned the Transport for London survey to justify withdrawal of District Line trains to Kensington Olympia, see "Dashed Green, Deleted District?" (&lt;a href="http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2011/12/dashed-green-deleted-district.html" target="_blank"&gt;read again&lt;/a&gt;). Here, TfL surveyed thousands and, surprisingly, the 80+% of those surveyed, presumably who travelled on the crowded Wimbledon branch, wanted more trains and the 15+% who travelled to Kensington Olympia didn't want to lose theirs.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mIQ7pqOUl1s/T0TQ0mAY1SI/AAAAAAAAHiI/JlXQiZJViaQ/s1600/olymptrain.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="237" lda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mIQ7pqOUl1s/T0TQ0mAY1SI/AAAAAAAAHiI/JlXQiZJViaQ/s320/olymptrain.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;A clear-cut statistical case for making the change for the benefit of the vast majority!!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;This lovely little pie chart ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FeessK0fo3M/T0TRSz8rl0I/AAAAAAAAHiY/gTN1wZBCHX4/s1600/atocgraphic.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" lda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FeessK0fo3M/T0TRSz8rl0I/AAAAAAAAHiY/gTN1wZBCHX4/s1600/atocgraphic.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;... was issued by the Association of Train Operating Companies at the time of the January fares hike (how can fares go on a hike?) ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-UF83GHzBmH0/T0TRdImNBzI/AAAAAAAAHig/A23PvdWp7EM/s1600/hike.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" lda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-UF83GHzBmH0/T0TRdImNBzI/AAAAAAAAHig/A23PvdWp7EM/s1600/hike.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;... to promote the misleading message that, "it ain't our fault, pal, blame Network Rail and/or the government!" Whilst everything that happens on the railways is inevitably coloured by state &lt;strike&gt;interference&lt;/strike&gt; policy, ATOC members must accept at least part of the "blame" as they strive to maintain dividends for their shareholders.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then there is this, emanating from TfL and quoted in the March edition of "Buses" magazine.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--wzS0hpA8oU/T0T0Iru3_6I/AAAAAAAAHjg/5Bh7XpBI-Cs/s1600/tflstats.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" lda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--wzS0hpA8oU/T0T0Iru3_6I/AAAAAAAAHjg/5Bh7XpBI-Cs/s1600/tflstats.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;What does it mean?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;fbb guesses that there is an average of well over 10 million bus and rail passenger journeys made in London each day. Of these only 0.1% (one in every thousand) contact TfL by phone or interweb for bus &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;times&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;. But what does that &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;actually&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; mean?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xJfjkgUy6CQ/T0TgNS1QW0I/AAAAAAAAHjA/YXuEcmxjBqk/s1600/tflttpanel.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" lda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xJfjkgUy6CQ/T0TgNS1QW0I/AAAAAAAAHjA/YXuEcmxjBqk/s1600/tflttpanel.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;Either the majority are so well informed they don't need such detail, OR the buses are so frequent and reliable (?) that folk just go out and wait with a spring in their step and a face radiant with diurnal joy, OR the process of finding out is so convoluted that they don't even try. Whatever the reason, such a minimalist percentage is so small as to be negligible; which means TfL need not bother providing bus timetables at all, statistically! Which, of course, they don't.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;But what do the remaining 7.4% of potential travellers ask, if not for bus &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;times&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;? Undergound times? Overgound times? Nationa Rail times? River Bus times? The mind boggles! A picture of the favourite bus? Complaints about late running? Fares enquiries? Colour of driver's socks?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jK7Alhs4deU/T0TuHlkzOVI/AAAAAAAAHjI/5RJ2WL081Sg/s1600/socks.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" lda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jK7Alhs4deU/T0TuHlkzOVI/AAAAAAAAHjI/5RJ2WL081Sg/s1600/socks.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;And what does the 750,000 measure? On line, for example, mouse clicks, page views, site visits or enquiring e-mail addresses all give different statistics. The fact is, unsurprisingly, that this little news-bite is completely meaningless.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;But it does suggest that the vast sums of money spent on electronic information provision is largely wasted. If it doesn't suggest that, then the reader needs a much more detailed (and independent) analysis of TfL's data&amp;nbsp;to understand what the true implications are.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But fbb has a favourite statistic. It is this:-&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;The majority of people in Great Britain&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;have a higher than average&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;number of legs.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Absolutely true.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-m8_pUYg0qtw/T0TVB2IdlnI/AAAAAAAAHi4/vqT1szLX8k8/s1600/jake.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" lda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-m8_pUYg0qtw/T0TVB2IdlnI/AAAAAAAAHi4/vqT1szLX8k8/s1600/jake.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Very few people have&amp;nbsp;MORE than TWO legs. A small number of people are disabled and have LESS than two legs. So the average number of legs is (slightly) less than two; and by far the majority have more than that average. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thoughtful readers of the typical news-bite will, of course, realise that statistics are only quoted if they favour the point of view of the news-bite's instigator.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OaYfcvSSC8I/T0TuYnJSJTI/AAAAAAAAHjQ/ENMqCu3uzMk/s1600/guardian.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" lda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OaYfcvSSC8I/T0TuYnJSJTI/AAAAAAAAHjQ/ENMqCu3uzMk/s1600/guardian.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Like the oft quoted "Rail fares in GB are the most expensive in Europe", which we will look at tomorrow.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;P.S. fbb sometimes struggles with percentages; apologies if the decimal points have been wrongly allocated. He's has five attempts (without calculator) since 0645! Such is the deep joy of decyphering statistics.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: purple;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Next Blog : due Friday&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: purple;"&gt; February 24th&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7432323264902617108-4111543612331720660?l=publictransportexperience.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/feeds/4111543612331720660/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/but-mr-speaker-statistics-show.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/4111543612331720660'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/4111543612331720660'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/but-mr-speaker-statistics-show.html' title='But, Mr Speaker, The Statistics Show ...'/><author><name>fatbusbloke</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='26' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Zpc3ZPT1bAg/TL2ujD2R6PI/AAAAAAAAAYg/gZfFdSHx8To/S220/Pict0014.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KQ6GReYE0EQ/T0SipHLaeeI/AAAAAAAAHh4/DyPkZnWf-zg/s72-c/marktwain.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-408110347198297258</id><published>2012-02-22T07:01:00.001Z</published><updated>2012-02-22T08:00:38.718Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Traveline'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Yorkshire'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='East Midlands'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='timetables'/><title type='text'>Bus Rides Bought from Bawtry [3]</title><content type='html'>Extra Journeys Available - or not?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Uh9X79m9oJ0/Tz9mgupGIBI/AAAAAAAAHdM/wgAcDbdg84Y/s1600/hotel.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Uh9X79m9oJ0/Tz9mgupGIBI/AAAAAAAAHdM/wgAcDbdg84Y/s1600/hotel.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Bawtry's on-line presence is minimalist, with a web site that offers little except:-&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;Welcome to Bawtry Our Town &lt;br /&gt;In the 12th century Bawtry was the third largest inland port in England. Today Bawtry provides high class shopping during the day and an eclectic social scene in the evenings.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The list of forthcoming activities (in 2009!) is as follows:-&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;These are Bawtry's major events, refer to the Town Council Newsletter for actual dates and times.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;June &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Bawtry Action for Recreation and Sports (BARS) Sports Day at the Memorial Sports Ground&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;December&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;Late night Christmas shopping, 5pm to 8pm, Thursday 3 December 2009&lt;br /&gt;Carol Service on Market Hill .&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;The town is on the south eastern tip of South Yorkshire with the border with Nottinghamshire literally at the end of the High Street (called South Parade at that point). It had a station on the East Coast main line ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-EFWoFEhVbxU/Tz9rP6CMRBI/AAAAAAAAHdU/p-luV_uHFi4/s1600/station.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-EFWoFEhVbxU/Tz9rP6CMRBI/AAAAAAAAHdU/p-luV_uHFi4/s1600/station.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;... which closed in June 1965. It was a busy staging post on two main trade routes, the Great North Road and what became the A631 from Yorkshire to Lincolnshire. Its bus services are in the hands of Stagecoach, successors to East Midland and run, mainly north and south to Doncaster, Worksop and Retford.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KxesCmUIP5U/Tz9rZY1eDQI/AAAAAAAAHdc/fpLwWfE4F-Y/s1600/2bus1977.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KxesCmUIP5U/Tz9rZY1eDQI/AAAAAAAAHdc/fpLwWfE4F-Y/s1600/2bus1977.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;In the late 70s and early 80s there was a newly created link east to Sheffield which did not survive the turbulent post privatisation years.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-k-k6QJFhIIY/Tz9rk3PbP3I/AAAAAAAAHdk/ENmwEfUjNK0/s1600/287bus.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-k-k6QJFhIIY/Tz9rk3PbP3I/AAAAAAAAHdk/ENmwEfUjNK0/s1600/287bus.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;But we have been looking at cross-border links to the North Nottinghamshire villages of Scaftworth, Everton, Mattersey and Mattersey Thorpe. WHY? Because, at first glance, there isn't much on offer.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;But the Stagecoach printed timetable guides us, via the "star" note, to service 27A.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xl3-HpYhk1Y/Tz9rwj1mBmI/AAAAAAAAHds/ZqXoD0pd-TI/s1600/27stagett.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xl3-HpYhk1Y/Tz9rwj1mBmI/AAAAAAAAHds/ZqXoD0pd-TI/s1600/27stagett.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The leaflet is, however, less than helpful in matters of detail. Travel South Yorkshire obediently copies the Stagecoach words without really understanding what they mean.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-i_i2obpE5rU/T0ASO96oTfI/AAAAAAAAHe8/hHPCc7cT0g0/s1600/27anoteSC.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-i_i2obpE5rU/T0ASO96oTfI/AAAAAAAAHe8/hHPCc7cT0g0/s1600/27anoteSC.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;TSY also copies the Stagecoach mistake as the fourth time should read 1255!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-U9k6F5REtR8/Tz9tYBXMttI/AAAAAAAAHd0/yy4drEiEnjo/s1600/27aSYT.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="219" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-U9k6F5REtR8/Tz9tYBXMttI/AAAAAAAAHd0/yy4drEiEnjo/s320/27aSYT.jpg" width="320" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;But you will not find &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;four&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; bus trips to Mattersey Thorpe, &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;only two&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eB6ZepeiJPM/T0AAqMj4WtI/AAAAAAAAHes/5qxbstVJK3o/s1600/27attX.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eB6ZepeiJPM/T0AAqMj4WtI/AAAAAAAAHes/5qxbstVJK3o/s1600/27attX.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The 1055 and 1255 are arrival times back at Bawtry. Nottinghamshire and Stagecoach both provide an on-line timetable, but the latter incorporates the Mattersey journeys into a complicated composite with 27A journeys in the opposite direction to Misson and a schoolday bus, service 129.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-coQzlGv2w6o/T0P-6RGjQOI/AAAAAAAAHhc/DJoYyrdaagU/s1600/27astage.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-coQzlGv2w6o/T0P-6RGjQOI/AAAAAAAAHhc/DJoYyrdaagU/s1600/27astage.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;It's accurate but very messy. The star refers back to connections for Retford.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Unhelpfully, Nottinghamshire makes no mention of the fact that journeys have to be pre-booked, so tough luck if you arrive at Bawtry from Doncaster at 1000 on the service 99 to change to the 1015 service 27A ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nzTZ4VB5mpU/T0ASgpGUPiI/AAAAAAAAHfE/6qUPn4Q2opQ/s1600/99_27.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nzTZ4VB5mpU/T0ASgpGUPiI/AAAAAAAAHfE/6qUPn4Q2opQ/s1600/99_27.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... and you haven't pre-booked, you could have and long long wait until 1642 if no-one else requires the elusive 27A.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Traveline Yorkshire makes no mention of the service at all, leaving off peak potential travellers to Mattersey Thorpe with a tortuous route via Retford. What fun!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gC0JF6Y90k0/Tz9w4rTjk9I/AAAAAAAAHeE/Y0gradoivyM/s1600/1000travYorks.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gC0JF6Y90k0/Tz9w4rTjk9I/AAAAAAAAHeE/Y0gradoivyM/s1600/1000travYorks.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;One hour and 36 minutes as opposed to a mere 17 minutes on the 27A. fbb is not 100% certain where the captivating Cooks Cottages can be encountered but he is 100% certain that he would prefer to interchange at the impressive new Retford bus station.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eIxgcb_nKeM/T0SgloFI9cI/AAAAAAAAHhw/Jvx3JT5xMsI/s1600/retfordbussta.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="301" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eIxgcb_nKeM/T0SgloFI9cI/AAAAAAAAHhw/Jvx3JT5xMsI/s320/retfordbussta.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Traveline East Midlands does include the errant journeys ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-H1MM90kwTxw/Tz9xYVh4awI/AAAAAAAAHeM/JiKltCflqjw/s1600/1015eastmidTL.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-H1MM90kwTxw/Tz9xYVh4awI/AAAAAAAAHeM/JiKltCflqjw/s1600/1015eastmidTL.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... without a clear mention that they have to be pre-booked. The technology also tells the unwary that the Stagecoach bus will be going to Bawtry, which is where you would be waiting to board it. Once again this is because the data has been entered erroneously in the form of a "circular" service, which it isn't. Will the destination screen on the bus be more helpful? "Service" 27A?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-sVHeWo5woWw/Tz9yTgasKMI/AAAAAAAAHeU/sCn-KQrYnHw/s1600/27Abus.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="234" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-sVHeWo5woWw/Tz9yTgasKMI/AAAAAAAAHeU/sCn-KQrYnHw/s320/27Abus.jpg" width="320" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;service 27A at Mattersey Thorpe&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;So the traveller has a choice:-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Incomplete and effectively incorrect paper information from TSY&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Incomplete and effectively incorrect&amp;nbsp;paper infromation from Stagecoach&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Incomplete and confusing on-line information from Stagecoach&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Incomplete on-line information from Nottinghamshire&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Incomplete information from Traveline Yorkshire&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Incomplete information from Traveline East Midlands&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;Sometimes (no, often), fbb wonders whether "the powers that be" (in this case Nottinghamshire which sponsors service 27A) actually &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;want&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; people to use their services. &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;If they do&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;, then surely this ...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ejkrPl1LxC8/Tz-K2Eoic7I/AAAAAAAAHek/qVkMcGt-tYE/s1600/27ttX.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ejkrPl1LxC8/Tz-K2Eoic7I/AAAAAAAAHek/qVkMcGt-tYE/s1600/27ttX.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... is a more helpful presentation of the options available from Bawtry to Mattersey.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;Oh dear, what can the matter be?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;When are the buses from Bawtry to Mattersey?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;Complications bludgeon and batter me&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;It's hard to find out what's there.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: purple;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Next Blog : due Thursday&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: purple;"&gt; 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(but interrupted?)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;--------------------------------------------------------------------------&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;Always at the forefront of modern technology, fbb has submitted&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;his Company's Annual Return to Companies House on-line.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;It's worth doing at £14 rather than £40 BUT what a hassle.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;It has involved&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;1&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt; reminder letter received&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;5&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt; emails received&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-VGcxJNXyrYI/Tz5nuVvdqdI/AAAAAAAAHbg/-o-PB_GgDfg/s1600/webfiling.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-VGcxJNXyrYI/Tz5nuVvdqdI/AAAAAAAAHbg/-o-PB_GgDfg/s1600/webfiling.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;1&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt; letter received &amp;nbsp;'cos fbb forgot a code&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;the usual battle with debit card "security":-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;thus typing in about &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;130&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt; different codes and characters&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;in assorted boxes and using about &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;20&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt; mins of fbb's time&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;-o-o-o-o-&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;It makes battling with bus information quite pleasurable. BUT, is it &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; more efficient and less costly than sending out a copy of the form by post for the Company Secretary to sign and post back? Technology for the sake of it, again.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;--------------------------------------------------------------------------  &lt;/div&gt;Back to the business in hand. But, before we unravel service 27A, let's compare the output of the three providers of timetables for service 27 (from Bawtry to Mattersey and on to Retford). See "Bus Rides Bought from Bawtry [1]" (&lt;a href="http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/bus-rides-bought-from-bawtry-1.html" target="_blank"&gt;read again&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The Stagecoach timetable is, like most of their leaflet infromation, very basic; in this case needing three explanatory notes to give the complete picture.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EREzOolCJqA/Tz5piTKcQYI/AAAAAAAAHbo/YFY4XY8ayI8/s1600/27stagett.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EREzOolCJqA/Tz5piTKcQYI/AAAAAAAAHbo/YFY4XY8ayI8/s1600/27stagett.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Nottinghamshire's version, only available on-line, is a little better, partly because it offers separate Monday to Friday and Saturday panels; yet a littler worse because the timetable is not correct, probably simply out-of-date.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Id_-R_mt5DM/Tz5rJyMa6VI/AAAAAAAAHbw/b_76jHPig28/s1600/27ttNott.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="255" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Id_-R_mt5DM/Tz5rJyMa6VI/AAAAAAAAHbw/b_76jHPig28/s400/27ttNott.jpg" width="400" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;But the prize for &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;the most helpful set of times&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; must go to Travel South Yorkshire. Yes, dear blog reader, you are not dreaming; you have not dropped into a parallel universe; neither has fbb finally gone completely doolally. So let's hear it again.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-afqufXIAlVo/Tz5sLoefcTI/AAAAAAAAHb4/NEIvR4kzi24/s1600/27ttTSY.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="196" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-afqufXIAlVo/Tz5sLoefcTI/AAAAAAAAHb4/NEIvR4kzi24/s400/27ttTSY.jpg" width="400" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;The prize for the &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;most helpful set of times&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; must go to Travel South Yorkshire&lt;/span&gt;. Unlike Stagecoach it clearly shows times for Everton Village centre; that's High Street ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-deDKKkfXCvE/Tz5vCWy9DXI/AAAAAAAAHcA/gsqQfWKtbmI/s1600/evertonhighst.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="227" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-deDKKkfXCvE/Tz5vCWy9DXI/AAAAAAAAHcA/gsqQfWKtbmI/s320/evertonhighst.jpg" width="320" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;... according to TSY (and that &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; a bus stop "flag" on the telegraph pole!), or Chapel Lane Primary School according to Nottinghamshire. No pole and no flag this time.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-o1GyEWENvdw/Tz5vJswvGUI/AAAAAAAAHcI/-acz5f4Ooj4/s1600/primarysch.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="270" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-o1GyEWENvdw/Tz5vJswvGUI/AAAAAAAAHcI/-acz5f4Ooj4/s320/primarysch.jpg" width="320" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;And, no, they are not different names for the same place, they are different stops, as shown by the little blue symbols to the left and right of this aerial view.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zGJ5CPeX0vc/Tz5wONu0y4I/AAAAAAAAHcQ/Y8y-Y-4MpZU/s1600/evertonaerial.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zGJ5CPeX0vc/Tz5wONu0y4I/AAAAAAAAHcQ/Y8y-Y-4MpZU/s1600/evertonaerial.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;Why? No idea! TSY also explains the schoolday diversion correctly, whereas Nottinghamshire doesn't. NCC's school times are different and almost certainly wrong, anyway. Stagecoach only reveals the truth in its black blob note. Poor marks, Stagecoach, because If you don't read the note ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4HtM_Jz-xl0/Tz5yCZQTrPI/AAAAAAAAHcY/XpflH9m0DNA/s1600/notes.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4HtM_Jz-xl0/Tz5yCZQTrPI/AAAAAAAAHcY/XpflH9m0DNA/s1600/notes.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;...&amp;nbsp; you might well arrive in Retford 15 minutes late and miss an onward connection. Neither presentation method is much help, however, if you don't know whether it's a schoolday or not.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;And that "star" note is our first clue as to the Service 27A from Bawtry to Mattersey.&amp;nbsp; But, hold fast ye bus-lubbers. fbb chose his words carefully when he said (twice) that the TSY timetable was he &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;most helpful set of times.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;But look at the list of&amp;nbsp;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;places&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DzkaUzvD9Fo/Tz59vVbD_BI/AAAAAAAAHcg/3li4WDm1EIU/s1600/27namebank.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DzkaUzvD9Fo/Tz59vVbD_BI/AAAAAAAAHcg/3li4WDm1EIU/s320/27namebank.jpg" width="290" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Oh dear,oh dear; and again, oh dear.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Everton, King William ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SqXZgnxJgBY/Tz5-EjR6wwI/AAAAAAAAHco/OGFjmFDL2DA/s1600/scaftTSY.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SqXZgnxJgBY/Tz5-EjR6wwI/AAAAAAAAHco/OGFjmFDL2DA/s1600/scaftTSY.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;... is actually SCAFTWORTH, King William.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;Mattersey, Breck Lane ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zdaqSqNEZ1o/Tz5-Yj08WNI/AAAAAAAAHcw/t40Y468aEHs/s1600/mattmapTSY.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zdaqSqNEZ1o/Tz5-Yj08WNI/AAAAAAAAHcw/t40Y468aEHs/s1600/mattmapTSY.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... is actually Mattersey THORPE, Breck Lane.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Lound, Town St/Station Road ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eLh2VK31KJQ/Tz5-qmktIYI/AAAAAAAAHc4/u_S0M60JgPM/s1600/maplound.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eLh2VK31KJQ/Tz5-qmktIYI/AAAAAAAAHc4/u_S0M60JgPM/s1600/maplound.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... is actually SUTTON-CUM-LOUND, Town St/Station Road.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Hey, that's &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;three locations totally wrong on one timetable&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;; a bit of a TSY record, is it not? Well done!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Never mind, all three are in Nottinghamshire and that is foreign territory "where be dragons".&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2vOH_nuTXhQ/Tz6Hu5tZOjI/AAAAAAAAHdA/WNTEwjuy7wg/s1600/dragons.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="152" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2vOH_nuTXhQ/Tz6Hu5tZOjI/AAAAAAAAHdA/WNTEwjuy7wg/s320/dragons.jpg" width="320" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;extract from the famous hand drawn William deScarlette&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;map of Nottinghamshire, first published in 1197.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;Courtesy of The P. Ottie Museum, Retford&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But tomorrow (promises, promises) we MUST track down the 27A.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: purple;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Next Blog : due Wednesday&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: purple;"&gt; February 22nd&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7432323264902617108-7162462119500337494?l=publictransportexperience.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/feeds/7162462119500337494/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/bus-rides-bought-from-bawtry-2.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/7162462119500337494'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/7162462119500337494'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/bus-rides-bought-from-bawtry-2.html' title='Bus Rides Bought from Bawtry [2]'/><author><name>fatbusbloke</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='26' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Zpc3ZPT1bAg/TL2ujD2R6PI/AAAAAAAAAYg/gZfFdSHx8To/S220/Pict0014.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-VGcxJNXyrYI/Tz5nuVvdqdI/AAAAAAAAHbg/-o-PB_GgDfg/s72-c/webfiling.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-4490054719201747071</id><published>2012-02-20T02:42:00.006Z</published><updated>2012-02-20T08:53:05.231Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Stagecoach'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Yorkshire'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='East Midlands'/><title type='text'>Bus Rides Bought from Bawtry [1]</title><content type='html'>An Old Nottinghamshire Folk Song goes something like this ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Oh dear, what can the matter be?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;When are the buses from Bawtry to Mattersey?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;What are the times from Monday to Saturday?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;And what will I pay for the fare?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... although some may know other words.&amp;nbsp;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;This is Bawtry, located on the south eastern tip of South Yorkshire but with the boundary of Nottinghamshire literally a few hundred yards south of the town centre.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-AWO36AN2Hoo/TzwxAGfkKWI/AAAAAAAAHYY/7765xvmJCX4/s1600/bawtrysth.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-AWO36AN2Hoo/TzwxAGfkKWI/AAAAAAAAHYY/7765xvmJCX4/s1600/bawtrysth.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;It is from this stop that an exploring fbb would catch a bus to Mattersey. But why?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Border towns give fbb the opportunity to compare information provision from bus operator, South Yorkshire PTE and Nottinghamshire County Council; because, oddly in this electronic bits and bytes world, they all present timetables differently.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-VOcRK-R3FY0/Tz0ge-LkRgI/AAAAAAAAHaQ/I0MkS3q3f3o/s1600/map.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-VOcRK-R3FY0/Tz0ge-LkRgI/AAAAAAAAHaQ/I0MkS3q3f3o/s1600/map.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;So let's, first, take an introductory tour of Stagecoach service 27 between Bawtry and Mattersey Thorpe.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-d7SEVFJmyWc/Tz0TuxqJslI/AAAAAAAAHYg/_xt9iluY79g/s1600/27stagett.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-d7SEVFJmyWc/Tz0TuxqJslI/AAAAAAAAHYg/_xt9iluY79g/s1600/27stagett.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The service appears to be a particularly parlous provision which we will examine in more detail tomorrow. Three peak time trips and nowt else.&amp;nbsp;For now, we sally forth to Scaftworth which, astoundingly still has a bus service, despite being, well, small. It does have the King William pub ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-d3TF8P9Dl10/Tz0UreY5AYI/AAAAAAAAHYo/z3DIZzlahJQ/s1600/scaftworth.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="258" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-d3TF8P9Dl10/Tz0UreY5AYI/AAAAAAAAHYo/z3DIZzlahJQ/s320/scaftworth.jpg" width="320" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... a manor and a few cottages. The turn from the Bawtry direction is anonymous, just behind the lorry.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1AfIJD-uIU8/Tz0U-cY8aiI/AAAAAAAAHY4/FboCRtFF6HY/s1600/scafttrunN.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="232" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1AfIJD-uIU8/Tz0U-cY8aiI/AAAAAAAAHY4/FboCRtFF6HY/s320/scafttrunN.jpg" width="320" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Whereas approaching from the east there is one tiny sign.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BTSQ0rbBWRY/Tz0VIeib1qI/AAAAAAAAHZA/AC0vQ88TJ2c/s1600/scaftturnS.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="249" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BTSQ0rbBWRY/Tz0VIeib1qI/AAAAAAAAHZA/AC0vQ88TJ2c/s320/scaftturnS.jpg" width="320" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;It must have been fun, way back, before the hamlet was bypassed, as here in the 1930s map extract.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--vfAdoIPu6E/Tz0WNbRZAOI/AAAAAAAAHZI/ti45RN71UO4/s1600/scaftmap30s.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--vfAdoIPu6E/Tz0WNbRZAOI/AAAAAAAAHZI/ti45RN71UO4/s1600/scaftmap30s.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The bypass is long standing (post WW2?) and has been turned into a whizzo dual carriageway bit of the A631.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ucarlo93OFo/Tz0We0U0H7I/AAAAAAAAHZQ/DQBNDOuXbXA/s1600/scaftmapnow.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ucarlo93OFo/Tz0We0U0H7I/AAAAAAAAHZQ/DQBNDOuXbXA/s1600/scaftmapnow.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;fbb would have expected nothing but a layby on the dual carriageway; but buses venture into the village.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;We move on to Everton, where most journeys stop on the A631 at the Sun Inn ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-rvcINnlyIb4/Tz0X3LlnLiI/AAAAAAAAHZY/Cq0hex0fAN8/s1600/suninn.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="254" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-rvcINnlyIb4/Tz0X3LlnLiI/AAAAAAAAHZY/Cq0hex0fAN8/s320/suninn.jpg" width="320" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... although daytime journeys running between here and Retford nip up to the village centre, just off to the left, mainly for the convenience of an easy turn. Onward we go to Mattersey itself, where we miss the pretty bit ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wNubyk3Our8/T0Fs6H59_fI/AAAAAAAAHhE/0DVcm_SYIK0/s1600/mattchurch.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="217" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wNubyk3Our8/T0Fs6H59_fI/AAAAAAAAHhE/0DVcm_SYIK0/s320/mattchurch.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;...&amp;nbsp;as we turn right ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PdZMPo3ISgg/Tz0i_cy_NjI/AAAAAAAAHao/P16703XtwbA/s1600/thorperoad.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="315" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PdZMPo3ISgg/Tz0i_cy_NjI/AAAAAAAAHao/P16703XtwbA/s400/thorperoad.jpg" width="400" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... for the "double run" to Mattersey Thorpe. An initial glance suggests that the peak time journeys on the service 27 timetable are about the lot. But, as Jimmy Cricket would say ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-D6hp_H_Qfxo/Tz0aIoH9J2I/AAAAAAAAHZo/_B4bW24LFAs/s1600/jimmycrick.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="185" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-D6hp_H_Qfxo/Tz0aIoH9J2I/AAAAAAAAHZo/_B4bW24LFAs/s200/jimmycrick.jpg" width="200" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... there's more.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JVzWhHp9Njg/Tz0adeIIUfI/AAAAAAAAHZw/vs4PigjL3qA/s1600/ttnotes.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JVzWhHp9Njg/Tz0adeIIUfI/AAAAAAAAHZw/vs4PigjL3qA/s1600/ttnotes.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Take a look at those as yet unexplained notes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Black Blob&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp;: covers schoolday variations&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Letter E&lt;/b&gt; : is for buses that dive into Everton Village&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;The Star&lt;/b&gt; : refers us to Service 27A "Phon-a-Bus"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Georgia&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;And the 27A provides two extra journeys from Bawtry via Everton available by pre-booking via the "phon". So maybe things are a little better than they might first appear at the delightful Mattersey Thorpe.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GNgQIuTDZcg/Tz0d5JrdVhI/AAAAAAAAHZ4/lH37zhwGCmA/s1600/thorpe.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="213" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GNgQIuTDZcg/Tz0d5JrdVhI/AAAAAAAAHZ4/lH37zhwGCmA/s320/thorpe.jpg" width="320" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Georgia&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;The village consists of a few "done up" cottages&amp;nbsp;enhanced (?) by&amp;nbsp;a&amp;nbsp;substantial excrescence&amp;nbsp;of dormitory property.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-IBffMpPbnu4/Tz0hukOYGKI/AAAAAAAAHaY/X9oJh9kFThE/s1600/thorpenew.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="225" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-IBffMpPbnu4/Tz0hukOYGKI/AAAAAAAAHaY/X9oJh9kFThE/s320/thorpenew.jpg" width="320" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Georgia&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Tomorrow we will see.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Georgia&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;And, astoundingly, there will be a few words of congratulation for Travel South Yorkshire. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Georgia&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;But fear not, regular aficionados of TSY and the fat bus bloke, there'll be a laugh or two as well.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Georgia&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ykDt2JKmyHc/Tz0ezwkxMCI/AAAAAAAAHaA/9zWc6l1Krgc/s1600/search.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ykDt2JKmyHc/Tz0ezwkxMCI/AAAAAAAAHaA/9zWc6l1Krgc/s1600/search.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Georgia&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;We go in search of the elusive service 27A&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: purple;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Next Blog : due Tuesday&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: purple;"&gt; 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text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gKgh_Mn9V_c/TzrBU9N5v5I/AAAAAAAAHWw/oxS7RJxdBlg/s1600/enquire.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gKgh_Mn9V_c/TzrBU9N5v5I/AAAAAAAAHWw/oxS7RJxdBlg/s1600/enquire.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Using the trip planner on New York's Metropolitan Transportation Authority web site, see "fbb's Dabble with the Big Apple [2]" (&lt;a href="http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/fbbs-dabble-with-big-apple-2.html" target="_blank"&gt;read again&lt;/a&gt;) ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tdDoQKLYodY/TzrCnKeDp7I/AAAAAAAAHXA/JwjMcNORccg/s1600/repeat.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tdDoQKLYodY/TzrCnKeDp7I/AAAAAAAAHXA/JwjMcNORccg/s1600/repeat.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... he has arrived on line R at Whitehall Street subway station ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-r7YxgmGsUE4/TzrB801BJ9I/AAAAAAAAHW4/tFGpfycTQPA/s1600/whitehall.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="248" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-r7YxgmGsUE4/TzrB801BJ9I/AAAAAAAAHW4/tFGpfycTQPA/s320/whitehall.jpg" width="320" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... and walked 0.19 of a mile to reach his destination, namely The Statue of Liberty.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;But it isn't there. It STILL isn't here on Google Maps ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mtQgs7eqcMk/TzrEbYc7x3I/AAAAAAAAHXI/pJTwwX6PhDw/s1600/park.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="251" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mtQgs7eqcMk/TzrEbYc7x3I/AAAAAAAAHXI/pJTwwX6PhDw/s320/park.jpg" width="320" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;... and there's a nice little park where it might have been.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A walk to the waterfront and, gee whizz, the mystery is solved. Somebody has moved the statue to Bedloe's Island nearly two miles away down the Hudson River. Look, there it is!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nW5TpsNbipw/TzrE3cOhAMI/AAAAAAAAHXQ/IqYrgsdqwI0/s1600/libertydistance.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="220" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nW5TpsNbipw/TzrE3cOhAMI/AAAAAAAAHXQ/IqYrgsdqwI0/s320/libertydistance.jpg" width="320" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;But a bit more than a 0.19 mile walk from the station. And a worryingly wet walk!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nIUaF8U_zv4/TzrSqN4WRzI/AAAAAAAAHXw/tebT172OtKY/s1600/statuesite.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="190" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nIUaF8U_zv4/TzrSqN4WRzI/AAAAAAAAHXw/tebT172OtKY/s320/statuesite.jpg" width="320" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;After the surrender of Fort Amsterdam by the Dutch to the British in 1664, the English governor Richard Nicolls granted the little island to Captain Robert Needham. It was sold to Isaac Bedlow on December 23, 1667. In 1732 it was sold for five shillings to New York merchants Adolphe Philipse and Henry Lane. During their ownership, the island was temporarily commandeered by the city of New York to establish a smallpox quarantine station.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;In 1746 the island was purchased by Archibald Kennedy who again allowed the island to be used as a smallpox quarantine station, and on February 18, 1758 the Corporation of the City of New York bought the island for £1,000 for continuing use as a "pest house".&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;On February 15, 1800, the New York State Legislature ceded the island to the federal government, for the construction of a defensive fort to be built there. It was built in the shape of an 11-point star and completed in 1811.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Cf93uZoFjxA/TzrPHjIMJrI/AAAAAAAAHXY/lSbKZWpRiwA/s1600/foirtbase.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Cf93uZoFjxA/TzrPHjIMJrI/AAAAAAAAHXY/lSbKZWpRiwA/s1600/foirtbase.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;The fort became the base of the Statue of Liberty which was formally opened by President Grover Cleveland in 1886.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-IgOX1DUIFis/TzrR8uON4rI/AAAAAAAAHXo/wBaNPH5zvi8/s1600/statuebuild.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-IgOX1DUIFis/TzrR8uON4rI/AAAAAAAAHXo/wBaNPH5zvi8/s320/statuebuild.jpg" width="183" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;Bedloe's Island was officially renamed Liberty Island in 1956.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;So, if fbb is not going to swim, then he needs to take a ferry.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-3Nbw1Z3nfU4/Tz11onAziwI/AAAAAAAAHbI/EoWkTQiK0wA/s1600/circlelogo.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-3Nbw1Z3nfU4/Tz11onAziwI/AAAAAAAAHbI/EoWkTQiK0wA/s1600/circlelogo.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Circle Line provides year-round passenger transportation by boat for park visitors to the Statue of Liberty National Monument on Liberty Island and the Ellis Island Immigration Museum on Ellis Island. The ferry service originates from Battery Park, New York City.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VBjLpUNp3UI/TzrPb95z_QI/AAAAAAAAHXg/qlXlyz0fWf8/s1600/nyferry.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="212" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VBjLpUNp3UI/TzrPb95z_QI/AAAAAAAAHXg/qlXlyz0fWf8/s320/nyferry.jpg" width="320" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;And presumably these trips are assumed to be for tourists only and not part of MTA's "normal" services. The only timetable fbb could find on line was for October 2007 ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tTLJZCaDvQ0/TzrU5r9TomI/AAAAAAAAHX4/z--1FiGUuos/s1600/ferrytt.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="303" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tTLJZCaDvQ0/TzrU5r9TomI/AAAAAAAAHX4/z--1FiGUuos/s320/ferrytt.jpg" width="320" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;... perhaps that's why it's not on the Trip Planner.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;In which case, shouldn't the Trip Planner make it clear. How about ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: yellow; color: #990000; font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Courier&amp;quot;, monospace;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;Battery Park for Liberty Island Ferry&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: yellow; color: #990000; font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Courier&amp;quot;, monospace;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;(&lt;b&gt;Pre-Book Only)&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;At least we now know one thing for certain. The UK is not alone in providing enquirers with duff electronic information. Good Ole' U S of A can be just as daft! ﻿We need to thank Frank for some revised lyrics.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;Start spreadin' the news, It isn't OK&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;I can't find my way, you see,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;New York, New York&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;These web sites I use are leading astray&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;To get to view Liberty,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;New York, New York&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-color: currentColor; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-width: medium; border-left-color: currentColor; border-left-style: none; border-left-width: medium; border-right-color: currentColor; border-right-style: none; border-right-width: medium; border-top-color: currentColor; border-top-style: none; border-top-width: medium; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;Tomorrow we return to a location with, perhaps, a little less excitement than new York. We go to Bawtry (in England), once on the old A1 Great North Road and right on the border between South Yorkshire and Nottinghamshire.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ANGjsoLROZ4/Tz13oSS1bzI/AAAAAAAAHbQ/9lbm9Jn7qxo/s1600/gallery.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="224" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ANGjsoLROZ4/Tz13oSS1bzI/AAAAAAAAHbQ/9lbm9Jn7qxo/s320/gallery.jpg" width="320" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;Wow, what a view from the great lady's "crown"! Farewell Big Apple with a tantalising picture of the 40 foot latter leading up to the torch (ice cream cone); sadly closed to the public since 1916.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8_76O3utJEE/T0E0k11w9fI/AAAAAAAAHgs/i22J20ZHPw4/s1600/ladder.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8_76O3utJEE/T0E0k11w9fI/AAAAAAAAHgs/i22J20ZHPw4/s1600/ladder.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="center" style="border-bottom-color: currentColor; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-width: medium; border-left-color: currentColor; border-left-style: none; border-left-width: medium; border-right-color: currentColor; border-right-style: none; border-right-width: medium; border-top-color: currentColor; border-top-style: none; border-top-width: medium;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: purple;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Next Blog : due Monday&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: purple;"&gt; February 20th&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7432323264902617108-4004532148719663206?l=publictransportexperience.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/feeds/4004532148719663206/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/fbbs-dabble-with-big-apple-3.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/4004532148719663206'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/4004532148719663206'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/fbbs-dabble-with-big-apple-3.html' title='fbb&apos;s Dabble with the Big Apple [3]'/><author><name>fatbusbloke</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='26' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Zpc3ZPT1bAg/TL2ujD2R6PI/AAAAAAAAAYg/gZfFdSHx8To/S220/Pict0014.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gKgh_Mn9V_c/TzrBU9N5v5I/AAAAAAAAHWw/oxS7RJxdBlg/s72-c/enquire.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-3058587541671061818</id><published>2012-02-18T02:10:00.001Z</published><updated>2012-02-18T02:12:11.207Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='maps'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='timetables'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='America'/><title type='text'>fbb's Dabble with the Big Apple [2]</title><content type='html'>A Virtual Tourist Trip&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xMRgFNa2Y3k/TzpeP3ORUoI/AAAAAAAAHU4/joWy3NM-K8s/s1600/newyork.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xMRgFNa2Y3k/TzpeP3ORUoI/AAAAAAAAHU4/joWy3NM-K8s/s1600/newyork.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;fbb has been examining public transport in New York, more specifically Manhattan Island. See "fbb's Dabble with the Big Apple [1]" (&lt;a href="http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/fbbs-dabble-with-big-apple-1.html" target="_blank"&gt;read again&lt;/a&gt;). The Metropolitan Transportation Authority is the "umbrella" organisation for buses and trains. It also offers a simple-to-use on-line journey planner ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-T16Yc2bX9BM/TzpnyUl_1PI/AAAAAAAAHVA/hRg36knExHs/s1600/tripplanner.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-T16Yc2bX9BM/TzpnyUl_1PI/AAAAAAAAHVA/hRg36knExHs/s1600/tripplanner.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;... which, unlike Transport Defunct, doesn't require you to specifiy "station", "address" etc. In New York, You just type in where you want to go. So where does fbb want to go, virtually? How about starting at Central Park Zoo.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eU21wOChSNI/TzpogR1CMNI/AAAAAAAAHVI/vnME4BLOgNk/s1600/centpkzoo.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eU21wOChSNI/TzpogR1CMNI/AAAAAAAAHVI/vnME4BLOgNk/s1600/centpkzoo.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;This is towards the south eastern corner of the massive Central Park that is, surprise, surprise, is a huge park in the centre of Manhattan. And where shall we go?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qCiLaYqxjiw/TzpxVzYACDI/AAAAAAAAHWg/5E9fxf8Hw5M/s1600/enquire.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qCiLaYqxjiw/TzpxVzYACDI/AAAAAAAAHWg/5E9fxf8Hw5M/s1600/enquire.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;To the Statue of Liberty, of course.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-54yOuCsA6Gg/Tzpo57EEH-I/AAAAAAAAHVQ/jOPMuGhLegQ/s1600/journeyplan.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-54yOuCsA6Gg/Tzpo57EEH-I/AAAAAAAAHVQ/jOPMuGhLegQ/s1600/journeyplan.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;Looks pretty simple and even gives the fare. Of course fares, like timetables, are a closely guarded secret in Boris the Blue's London.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What about going by bus?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-M1wVCHlGsjk/TzuEhneVmAI/AAAAAAAAHYI/v2ksymWZE-g/s1600/5buspic.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="261" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-M1wVCHlGsjk/TzuEhneVmAI/AAAAAAAAHYI/v2ksymWZE-g/s320/5buspic.jpg" width="320" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;A perusal of the bus map (&lt;a href="http://www.tbctimes.com/blog/manbus.pdf" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;) suggests that route M5 (Whoops, sorry, &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;line&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; M5) would do the trick, delivering fbb to the Whitehall Road Station as shown in the subway schedule. There is a full timetable on line, with journeys arranged horizontally as opposed to the UK vertical style.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EKUrw7aNrhs/TzprETB30yI/AAAAAAAAHVY/K875R-ESD3o/s1600/5tt.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EKUrw7aNrhs/TzprETB30yI/AAAAAAAAHVY/K875R-ESD3o/s1600/5tt.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;The line runs every 10 minutes off-peak but the journey will take an hour rather than 25 minutes underground. It is also further to walk from the Zoo. So the subway it is.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BfZ7T_HFQ-o/TzprfcVRS-I/AAAAAAAAHVg/PinCw-gLTd0/s1600/centpkexit.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="312" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BfZ7T_HFQ-o/TzprfcVRS-I/AAAAAAAAHVg/PinCw-gLTd0/s320/centpkexit.jpg" width="320" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;So, down the steps at "5th and 59th" he hurries, virtually, and onto a route R (sorry again, &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;line&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; R) subway going uptown (or is it downtown?)&amp;nbsp;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3sCg_vZdOhs/Tzpryp6q3rI/AAAAAAAAHVo/jqBvhjVX3L4/s1600/liner.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3sCg_vZdOhs/Tzpryp6q3rI/AAAAAAAAHVo/jqBvhjVX3L4/s1600/liner.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;... following the route delivered by the "Trip Planner" ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-A40TDGHF3PI/TzpsBDmM_xI/AAAAAAAAHVw/2pz7NS5WS_E/s1600/nymap.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-A40TDGHF3PI/TzpsBDmM_xI/AAAAAAAAHVw/2pz7NS5WS_E/s1600/nymap.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;... and back into daylight at Whitehall Street. Seemples!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-iyyW9Eav81A/TzpsQMVRrNI/AAAAAAAAHV4/BtMej9i5Tsg/s1600/whitehall.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-iyyW9Eav81A/TzpsQMVRrNI/AAAAAAAAHV4/BtMej9i5Tsg/s1600/whitehall.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;The virtual fbb is all ready to gaze heavenwards at the magnificence of the Statue of Liberty. But of the pretty lady holding her ice cream cone aloft there is no sign. She ain't here! Quick, check you asked the right question ...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0GnM1A2bobk/TzptGDOF7LI/AAAAAAAAHWA/zH7o-OGYBZ4/s1600/enquire.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0GnM1A2bobk/TzptGDOF7LI/AAAAAAAAHWA/zH7o-OGYBZ4/s1600/enquire.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;... O.K. Buddy, you did it right.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;Illusionist David Copperfield once "vanished" the Statue; shown here in couple of fuzzy clips from a U-tube video. In front of a live audience, a curtain is raised in front of the statue, and ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-j9Mu9Ag3wiw/TzputbBV0eI/AAAAAAAAHWI/7o2bumhYUVc/s1600/copper1.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="219" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-j9Mu9Ag3wiw/TzputbBV0eI/AAAAAAAAHWI/7o2bumhYUVc/s320/copper1.jpg" width="320" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;... moments later lowered and there she was ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/--6QsB_CP6Fo/Tzpu4snauNI/AAAAAAAAHWQ/hp4p9fLDGlY/s1600/copper2.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/--6QsB_CP6Fo/Tzpu4snauNI/AAAAAAAAHWQ/hp4p9fLDGlY/s1600/copper2.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;... gone. Perhaps he's been and gone and done it again?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;Remember: an innocent fbb has asked the Metrolpolitan Transportation Authority's journey planner for a trip from Central Park Zoo to The Statue of Liberty. He has arrived at Whitehall Street station and walked 0.19 miles &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;to his destination, The Statue of Liberty&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;, and&amp;nbsp; found no "Lady with Ice Cream Cone".&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pkRxF7WL_Og/TzpyH9jpiFI/AAAAAAAAHWo/tUMWbtRATYs/s1600/repeat.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pkRxF7WL_Og/TzpyH9jpiFI/AAAAAAAAHWo/tUMWbtRATYs/s1600/repeat.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;The Statue of Liberty (La Liberté Éclairant le Monde) is a colossal neoclassical sculpture on Liberty Island in New York Harbor, designed by Frédéric Bartholdi and dedicated on October 28, 1886. The statue, a gift to the United States from the people of France, is of a robed female figure representing Libertas, the Roman goddess of freedom, who bears a torch (or vanilla cone) and a tabula ansata (a tablet evoking the law) upon which is inscribed the date of the American Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776. A broken chain lies at her feet. The statue has become an icon of freedom and of the United States.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XyDTOPUIuSA/TzpwWO6HJmI/AAAAAAAAHWY/Mp9EgCMZuvk/s1600/statue.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XyDTOPUIuSA/TzpwWO6HJmI/AAAAAAAAHWY/Mp9EgCMZuvk/s320/statue.jpg" width="226" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Really, fbb, it should be hard to miss.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;Tomorrow we discover what went wrong.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-color: currentColor; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-width: medium; border-left-color: currentColor; border-left-style: none; border-left-width: medium; border-right-color: currentColor; border-right-style: none; border-right-width: medium; border-top-color: currentColor; border-top-style: none; border-top-width: medium; text-align: justify;"&gt;Those from the USA who read fbb's blog will be screaming at their confuser screens; utterly convinced that fbb is a throughly British idiot. But, remember, fbb has never been to The Big Apple. He is simply interrogating an on-line system which, we are often told, is the best thing since &lt;strike&gt;sliced bread&lt;/strike&gt; ground beef and zippers for your pants.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: purple;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Next Blog : due Sun&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: purple;"&gt;day February 19th&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7432323264902617108-3058587541671061818?l=publictransportexperience.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/feeds/3058587541671061818/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/fbbs-dabble-with-big-apple-2.html#comment-form' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/3058587541671061818'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/3058587541671061818'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/fbbs-dabble-with-big-apple-2.html' title='fbb&apos;s Dabble with the Big Apple [2]'/><author><name>fatbusbloke</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='26' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Zpc3ZPT1bAg/TL2ujD2R6PI/AAAAAAAAAYg/gZfFdSHx8To/S220/Pict0014.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xMRgFNa2Y3k/TzpeP3ORUoI/AAAAAAAAHU4/joWy3NM-K8s/s72-c/newyork.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-5319859025300345942</id><published>2012-02-17T05:20:00.007Z</published><updated>2012-02-17T09:21:59.248Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='maps'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='timetables'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='America'/><title type='text'>fbb's Dabble with the Big Apple [1]</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;NooYoik, Noo Yoik; it's a Helluva Town&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;Start spreadin' the news, I'm leavin' today&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;I want to be a part of it,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;New York, New York&lt;br /&gt;These vagabond shoes are longing to stray&lt;br /&gt;Right through the very heart of it,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;New York, New York&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;fbb is astounded by the number of blog reads from our cousins "over the pond" ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8LOSMxIDVNY/TztxvtVQ5nI/AAAAAAAAHYA/emdaHpAuyys/s1600/flag.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8LOSMxIDVNY/TztxvtVQ5nI/AAAAAAAAHYA/emdaHpAuyys/s1600/flag.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... sometimes amounting to 20% of a day's traffic. Obviously some of these are by ghastly accident. Google-Grabbers can easily happen upon some tenuous link and have a confirmatory click; but some folk might actually be interested! (?) Perhaps any regular USA reader might like to own up by posting a comment&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;fbb has never been to New York (although all three sons have) but this blog-reader interest prompted the old codger to have an on-line look at public transport in that spectacular and challenging City.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-loc4f0dXrvo/TzoeXIfMMGI/AAAAAAAAHTg/531AcqLJlEo/s1600/bigapple.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-loc4f0dXrvo/TzoeXIfMMGI/AAAAAAAAHTg/531AcqLJlEo/s1600/bigapple.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;The earliest citation for "big apple" is the 1909 book The Wayfarer in New York, by Edward Martin, writing: "Kansas is apt to see in New York a greedy city. It inclines to think that the &lt;b&gt;big apple&lt;/b&gt; gets a disproportionate share of &lt;b&gt;the national sap&lt;/b&gt;"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;The Big Apple was first popularized as a reference to New York City by John J. Fitz Gerald in a number of New York Morning Telegraph articles in the 1920s in reference to New York horse-racing.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;By the late 1920s, New York writers other than Fitz Gerald were starting to use "Big Apple" and were using it outside of a horse-racing context. "The Big Apple" was a popular song and dance in the 1930s.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;By the 1960s, "the Big Apple" was known only as an old name for New York. In the early 1970s, however, the New York Convention and Visitors Bureau, under the leadership of its president, Charles Gillett, began promoting "the Big Apple" for the city. It has remained popular since then.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;In 1976 the apple was chosen as the "official" fruit of New York State.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Public Transport is in the hands of the ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-e5XWA3uEVKE/TzopenI2-0I/AAAAAAAAHTo/RseWVciRQsk/s1600/mtalogo.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-e5XWA3uEVKE/TzopenI2-0I/AAAAAAAAHTo/RseWVciRQsk/s1600/mtalogo.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... which looks after buses and "subway" (Underground). For those who are as "higgorant" as fbb, pleas note that the "El" (for elevated) ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ciBdb9zuO7s/TzopjwiMF4I/AAAAAAAAHTw/BP49YTtq1wQ/s1600/el.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="220" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ciBdb9zuO7s/TzopjwiMF4I/AAAAAAAAHTw/BP49YTtq1wQ/s320/el.jpg" width="320" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... is in Chicago, not Noo Yoik. Confusingly, bits of that system are underground, but still called the "El"! New York once had an "El" but no longer; view a video clip (&lt;a href="http://youtu.be/wN4-3SpZtz4" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Again, for the insular Brits, like fbb, who have never jetted over the Atlantic, New York consists of a series of islands and peninsulas. The most populous island is Manhattan with the Hudson River to the west and the East River somewhere else. Most of what naïve observers think of as "New York" is on Manhattan Island, which is, to use a couple of technical terms, "big" and "full"; Yet the Island is only 7.6% of the total land area of New York City!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It has loadsa buses ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pal2jW_x0EU/Tzoqnp9w2GI/AAAAAAAAHT4/ERX7U4WnQ2Y/s1600/newyorkbus.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="209" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pal2jW_x0EU/Tzoqnp9w2GI/AAAAAAAAHT4/ERX7U4WnQ2Y/s320/newyorkbus.jpg" width="320" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... and a spectacular bus map of which fbb can only show a little bit from the southern tip of the Island.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nLEzvHqlrnA/TzosYAQkkHI/AAAAAAAAHUQ/M4l1umgqENg/s1600/busmapS.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nLEzvHqlrnA/TzosYAQkkHI/AAAAAAAAHUQ/M4l1umgqENg/s1600/busmapS.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;The full Manhattan Island bus map can be viewed (&lt;a href="http://www.tbctimes.com/blog/manbus.pdf" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-16-ppk1KHkE/Tzo-VELWkUI/AAAAAAAAHUo/xjJS3CFs2jw/s1600/liner.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-16-ppk1KHkE/Tzo-VELWkUI/AAAAAAAAHUo/xjJS3CFs2jw/s1600/liner.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;The&amp;nbsp; subway network is equally vast with an extract from the somewhat confusing map shown below.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2f80DKr1BPs/Tzo4muzhJaI/AAAAAAAAHUY/eZBRGE-3X0w/s1600/subwaymap.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2f80DKr1BPs/Tzo4muzhJaI/AAAAAAAAHUY/eZBRGE-3X0w/s1600/subwaymap.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Again the full map can be viewed (&lt;a href="http://www.tbctimes.com/blog/subway.pdf" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;). Even a more diagrammatic version looks complicated!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Zo0gA2jM0lY/Tzo7Sp925jI/AAAAAAAAHUg/1zc78VKCfYI/s1600/subwaydiagram.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Zo0gA2jM0lY/Tzo7Sp925jI/AAAAAAAAHUg/1zc78VKCfYI/s1600/subwaydiagram.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Perhaps things become a little clearer if you understand that the colour indicates a group of routes (e.g. all "yellows" run on one set of rails via Broadway) and the letters (N, Q, R, W) show the pattern of service spreading out from the common section. Imagine trains on the&amp;nbsp;District Line in London showing E for Ealng, R for Richmond and W for Wimbledon and you get the idea.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Line R crosses the iconic Queensborough Bridge ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jn5EUfg6dnY/Tz1RW-wYKjI/AAAAAAAAHa4/SMIzH3kdwOw/s1600/queensboro.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="124" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jn5EUfg6dnY/Tz1RW-wYKjI/AAAAAAAAHa4/SMIzH3kdwOw/s320/queensboro.jpg" width="320" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... and on the far side, in the borough of Queens (there's a clue in the name of the bridge), the trains exit the tracks below the top deck roadway and breathe fresh air for a brief while.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jsWckVHWRfU/Tz07UJIpmiI/AAAAAAAAHaw/jcex_vjFYf4/s1600/Rtrain.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="261" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jsWckVHWRfU/Tz07UJIpmiI/AAAAAAAAHaw/jcex_vjFYf4/s320/Rtrain.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;An aerial view below (via Google Maps, of course) places the picture above at the left hand and of the visible tracks.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-f6cHpXdIBEU/Tz1RxfjkZOI/AAAAAAAAHbA/KuLdoUgr7IE/s1600/photosite.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-f6cHpXdIBEU/Tz1RxfjkZOI/AAAAAAAAHbA/KuLdoUgr7IE/s1600/photosite.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;it's amazing what you can discover on-line; assuming that fbb's surfing activities have produced a correct result.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, having researched the network and consulted the maps, the next stage of fbb's virtual visit is to plan a journey, New York-style. A report on that exciting (!) challenge will be published tomorrow.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0TilPRCtQIs/Tzo_SP4__dI/AAAAAAAAHUw/HqIovLqJJe8/s1600/buddy.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0TilPRCtQIs/Tzo_SP4__dI/AAAAAAAAHUw/HqIovLqJJe8/s1600/buddy.jpg" yda="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;See ya, buddy!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: purple;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Next Blog : due Satur&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: purple;"&gt;day February 18th&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7432323264902617108-5319859025300345942?l=publictransportexperience.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/feeds/5319859025300345942/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/fbbs-dabble-with-big-apple-1.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/5319859025300345942'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/5319859025300345942'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/fbbs-dabble-with-big-apple-1.html' title='fbb&apos;s Dabble with the Big Apple [1]'/><author><name>fatbusbloke</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='26' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Zpc3ZPT1bAg/TL2ujD2R6PI/AAAAAAAAAYg/gZfFdSHx8To/S220/Pict0014.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8LOSMxIDVNY/TztxvtVQ5nI/AAAAAAAAHYA/emdaHpAuyys/s72-c/flag.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-7824402878579701151</id><published>2012-02-15T19:38:00.014Z</published><updated>2012-02-16T04:58:41.333Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Yorkshire'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='East Midlands'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='timetables'/><title type='text'>Information is Power [2]</title><content type='html'>Cost Saving Computer Systems&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Inspired by an article in "Passenger Transport", fbb has been giving a system produced by "ito". See "Information is Power [1]" (&lt;a href="http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/information-is-power-1.html" target="_blank"&gt;read again&lt;/a&gt;) and Norfolk County Council's Video (&lt;a href="http://vimeo.com/36094278" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;). As well as NCC, the software package is also used by East Yorkshire Motor Services. EYMS is owned and run by Peter Shipp ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ortk3ExwtVs/TzgB3p4icgI/AAAAAAAAHRQ/tVWODupWJec/s1600/shipp.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="262" sda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ortk3ExwtVs/TzgB3p4icgI/AAAAAAAAHRQ/tVWODupWJec/s320/shipp.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... not renowned for being publicity shy!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The article reports that EYMS approached "ito" when Humberside Council opted out of roadside publicity and lumbered the company with about 2000 timetable frames to fill. So a sample is shown for a stop on Anlaby Road, this stop in fact.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bKytBLZh-rw/TzgCggsMyWI/AAAAAAAAHRY/2WEqGyFmH4U/s1600/anlabyrd.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="251" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bKytBLZh-rw/TzgCggsMyWI/AAAAAAAAHRY/2WEqGyFmH4U/s320/anlabyrd.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Not particularly inspiring but opposite Hull Railway Station ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-owejkj1rPqc/TzgEOcZJTbI/AAAAAAAAHRo/aWhA_NNVjdc/s1600/station.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="208" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-owejkj1rPqc/TzgEOcZJTbI/AAAAAAAAHRo/aWhA_NNVjdc/s320/station.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... better viewed from the inside where the new Paragon Bus Station has been provided, linked to part of this huge terminal building.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-S6xz15Gs6JQ/TzgEC9PYa7I/AAAAAAAAHRg/cXaeeDhY2hA/s1600/busstation.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-S6xz15Gs6JQ/TzgEC9PYa7I/AAAAAAAAHRg/cXaeeDhY2hA/s320/busstation.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Back to Anlaby Road, where EYMS and "ito" have produced a departures poster. It does appear to be reasonably correct, unlike the Norfolk offering examined yesterday. It is too big to blog, but here is what it looks like.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wffaBt0lz7w/TzgK5ZC4urI/AAAAAAAAHRw/Ga4j9YaMh-8/s1600/eyorks.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wffaBt0lz7w/TzgK5ZC4urI/AAAAAAAAHRw/Ga4j9YaMh-8/s1600/eyorks.JPG" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The top section is a simple destination list for each route serving the stop, with a list of departures in time order below; all very neat and tidy, all very impressive, especially if you are leaning at 45 degrees, wacko-Jacko style.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dlpFngUw7xI/TzwJGjohYcI/AAAAAAAAHYQ/f1ESwuPOqos/s1600/jackolean.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dlpFngUw7xI/TzwJGjohYcI/AAAAAAAAHYQ/f1ESwuPOqos/s1600/jackolean.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;BUT&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;, is it useful?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The route diagrams are all separated by route number, even if, for example, the 35A is a minor variant of the 35. Surely these routes should be grouped together; shown as one service?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-oJPL9JKppgY/Tzga_VkxMgI/AAAAAAAAHR4/IJwaGwc69lQ/s1600/35tt.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="192" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-oJPL9JKppgY/Tzga_VkxMgI/AAAAAAAAHR4/IJwaGwc69lQ/s320/35tt.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Likewise the X55, X56 and X57 offer a common route between Hull and Elloughton, before splitting. Surely they should be shown as one "mini network" on a bus stop diagram?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/---jmCiPbLQ4/Tzgb5fYAYSI/AAAAAAAAHSI/Jbssk4mwAOY/s1600/x55tt.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/---jmCiPbLQ4/Tzgb5fYAYSI/AAAAAAAAHSI/Jbssk4mwAOY/s1600/x55tt.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Then, for the list of departures shown below the route diagrams, everything is mixed up and in time order. Does the passenger really want to plough through all this when he only wants confirmation of the next 153?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;There is a way of providing this grouping of services, clearly showing different routes after the split, and minor evening and Sunday variants. &amp;nbsp;&lt;b&gt;It's called a "timetable".&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Assuming space is available (and it is at Anlaby Road, on the inside of the shelter), why not post enlarged copies of timetable pages? Together with a map of services, they can be assembled with a pot of glue and a pair of scissors. &lt;b&gt;It is a helpful source of bus stop information. Somebody should try it.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Talking of cost effective solutions, here is an example of information provided in 1964 by "&lt;span style="color: #990000;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;T&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;otal '&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #990000;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Y&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;our &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #990000;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;P&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;assenger &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #990000;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;I&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;nformation &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #990000;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;S&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;ystem' &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #990000;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;T&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;echnology&lt;/span&gt;", or a "typist".&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-K1UDKTbdtfU/Tzgd33Cx5bI/AAAAAAAAHSY/X74PncTCvRQ/s1600/nct4.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-K1UDKTbdtfU/Tzgd33Cx5bI/AAAAAAAAHSY/X74PncTCvRQ/s1600/nct4.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;This is how Mavis did it nearly 50 years ago on her Remington typewriter.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ato2eZbToBk/Tzg5n6G-cXI/AAAAAAAAHTA/R5P84PJJZpQ/s1600/typewriter.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ato2eZbToBk/Tzg5n6G-cXI/AAAAAAAAHTA/R5P84PJJZpQ/s1600/typewriter.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;She would simply type departure times on a pre-printed quarto sheet of paper. This was then posted by Frank at the bus stops. The same page was reduced in size for the little timetable book.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CNdcHHGpbk4/Tzgen_vIMEI/AAAAAAAAHSo/vmb7Qh0LVVo/s1600/1tt.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CNdcHHGpbk4/Tzgen_vIMEI/AAAAAAAAHSo/vmb7Qh0LVVo/s1600/1tt.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;O.K., these are only departure lists, not the more useful timetables; but Northampton routes were all typically short so it was never a very long journey. Note, incidentally, that most routes were more frequent on Saturday than on Monday to Friday; and more frequent until late in the evening. And we either went to church or stayed in bed on Sunday mornings.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The same little booklet contained fare tables (in the old money, of course) ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zTn25pujLig/Tzge4d3AT7I/AAAAAAAAHSw/htL9YPsKtPQ/s1600/nctfares.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zTn25pujLig/Tzge4d3AT7I/AAAAAAAAHSw/htL9YPsKtPQ/s1600/nctfares.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... and even a rudimentary but easily understood route map.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-o8jnV4zCNEQ/TzgfII-t9PI/AAAAAAAAHS4/r2lcJ5fhiCw/s1600/nctroutemap.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-o8jnV4zCNEQ/TzgfII-t9PI/AAAAAAAAHS4/r2lcJ5fhiCw/s1600/nctroutemap.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;The sad fact is that, despite huge advances in printing, design and IT, publicity was far better in 1964 than it is in 2012. Name any town where fbb could pick up a booklet today; with fares, timetable and route maps?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;O.K., the Corporation's book did not include services run by United Counties to villages-cum-suburbs like Hardingstone and Duston; for those you needed the UC network book priced at one shilling. And rural bus companies rarely published fare tables so it wasn't utterly ideal, but still better than today.&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;The problem is that we have become "conned" into using computer software because &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;we can&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;, not because &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;we need to&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;. However splendid the "ito" stuff may be, even if it happens to be right, it is not necessarily delivering what the passenger actually needs.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Is it?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="color: #990000;"&gt;fbb is greatly indebted to his Northampton correspondent,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="color: #990000;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="color: #990000;"&gt;Alan, for sending him the scans of the NCT timetable book.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: purple;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Next Blog : due Friday February 17th&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7432323264902617108-7824402878579701151?l=publictransportexperience.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/feeds/7824402878579701151/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/information-is-power-2.html#comment-form' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/7824402878579701151'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/7824402878579701151'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/information-is-power-2.html' title='Information is Power [2]'/><author><name>fatbusbloke</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='26' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Zpc3ZPT1bAg/TL2ujD2R6PI/AAAAAAAAAYg/gZfFdSHx8To/S220/Pict0014.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ortk3ExwtVs/TzgB3p4icgI/AAAAAAAAHRQ/tVWODupWJec/s72-c/shipp.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-7048271247229394612</id><published>2012-02-14T21:51:00.026Z</published><updated>2012-02-15T10:26:18.273Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='timetables'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='eastern England'/><title type='text'>Information is Power [1]</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Knowledge is power. Information is power. The secreting or hoarding of knowledge or information may be an act of tyranny camouflaged as humility.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fyBBu4_1m-g/Tzd-Ms6c2XI/AAAAAAAAHPo/CdTYdha0BPs/s1600/robinmorgan.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fyBBu4_1m-g/Tzd-Ms6c2XI/AAAAAAAAHPo/CdTYdha0BPs/s1600/robinmorgan.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Thus wrote American feminist activist Robin Morgan, formerly a child film star. We are told that we live in an "information age", privileged to have the benefits of advanced "information technology" systems. A radio presenter was heard to say, "Now we all have smart phones ..."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;fbb doesn't, neither does Mrs fbb, neither do Peter and Sue, their chums from church; nor Lawrence, an elder at church, but fbb's little boys (all in their "thirties") do.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;We all have smartphones?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lDybBgGpmDE/TzfgPts2wwI/AAAAAAAAHP4/45PDIScrUAo/s1600/ptlogo.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lDybBgGpmDE/TzfgPts2wwI/AAAAAAAAHP4/45PDIScrUAo/s1600/ptlogo.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;fbb does not subscribe to "Passenger Transport" (website &lt;a href="http://www.passengertransport.co.uk/" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;), the fortnightly news and comment periodical for the public transport industry. But occasionally they send out a sample by way of "subtle persuasion". In the most recent issue is an article about bus stop information. In the piece entitled "the Automation of Information", Robert Jack ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-AkEqE5UCPUs/Tzff5CRTobI/AAAAAAAAHPw/0KEoPdHq-YI/s1600/robjack.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-AkEqE5UCPUs/Tzff5CRTobI/AAAAAAAAHPw/0KEoPdHq-YI/s1600/robjack.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... the editor, extols the virtues of new software from a company called ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-n2AsJL5Y-0M/Tzfgq-uZkqI/AAAAAAAAHQA/uEd04OAqQCk/s1600/itologo.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-n2AsJL5Y-0M/Tzfgq-uZkqI/AAAAAAAAHQA/uEd04OAqQCk/s1600/itologo.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;(website &lt;a _blank"="" href="http://www.itoworld.com target = "&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;) which claims:-&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;High quality passenger information is essential to maintain and increase patronage of sustainable transport but producing publicity materials is often a time consuming and inefficient exercise.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;We make it painless to publish engaging materials with a comprehensive online solution for sustainable transport information, across all formats; print, web and mobile. An integrated information suite that automatically updates materials, allowing you to publish in a timely manner with an efficient management process.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Use ITO Roadside Information to produce clear, compelling stop-specific information helping to grow passenger numbers, including: maps, timetables, line guides, destination and route finders and QR codes. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Our easy to use dashboard and map interface, allows you to see what changes have occurred and publish materials well ahead of time.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Apparently Jeremy Wiggin ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gs3DKbnYFIE/TzfiU_-rpqI/AAAAAAAAHQI/zAxEQXR_wgo/s1600/wiggin.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gs3DKbnYFIE/TzfiU_-rpqI/AAAAAAAAHQI/zAxEQXR_wgo/s1600/wiggin.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... of Norfolk County Council is dead chuffed with his new electronic bus stop timetable making toy, and an always interested fbb thought he should "ave a butchers".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-W2Q_lGBLDa8/Tzfk2AE0MAI/AAAAAAAAHQo/w0X6C0IVydg/s1600/caistormap.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-W2Q_lGBLDa8/Tzfk2AE0MAI/AAAAAAAAHQo/w0X6C0IVydg/s320/caistormap.jpg" width="298" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;The sample computer output display illustrated in "Passenger Transport" is for this bus stop at Caistor St Edmund, a small village south of Norwich.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cTQE9TGZbx0/Tzfi6Cz6rwI/AAAAAAAAHQQ/LmjRMf42MX8/s1600/marshalllnstop.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cTQE9TGZbx0/Tzfi6Cz6rwI/AAAAAAAAHQQ/LmjRMf42MX8/s1600/marshalllnstop.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Before proceeding further, fbb feels fervently that he ought to focus on the fact that the sample display might be just that; a sample to show the impressive nature of the system. Well, he hopes it is, because ...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--xPQz-rttgQ/TzfjmYxkrII/AAAAAAAAHQY/4rRHoYkMuZU/s1600/anglianheading.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--xPQz-rttgQ/TzfjmYxkrII/AAAAAAAAHQY/4rRHoYkMuZU/s1600/anglianheading.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;... the "ito" output calls it Markshall Lane. But the stop is on Stoke Road, not Markshall Lane as is confirmed by fbb's Norfolk street map and the gorgeous Google.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-OlFFco1aqcg/Tzfku9nZ8II/AAAAAAAAHQg/jVtCnVxAAtg/s1600/caistoraerial.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-OlFFco1aqcg/Tzfku9nZ8II/AAAAAAAAHQg/jVtCnVxAAtg/s1600/caistoraerial.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;But that's not all. Look at an enlargement of a poor scan from the magazine; and there are a few snags.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mv2orHy-NCg/TzflVDexa1I/AAAAAAAAHQw/I0UirqyxihY/s1600/anglianex.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="276" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mv2orHy-NCg/TzflVDexa1I/AAAAAAAAHQw/I0UirqyxihY/s320/anglianex.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="color: #990000;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Snag 1&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt; : The journey time to Norwich is actually 9 minutes, not 39 as shown. See Anglian's timetable.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-sg3qIYT8n_8/TzfmUveGirI/AAAAAAAAHQ4/K1pJxZCZH_c/s1600/587tt.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-sg3qIYT8n_8/TzfmUveGirI/AAAAAAAAHQ4/K1pJxZCZH_c/s1600/587tt.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: #990000;"&gt;Snag 2&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; : The heading on the panel mentions a service 587R, but Anglian bus don't seem to know what that is.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jqVWj7-0gqY/TzfnA1uKo9I/AAAAAAAAHRA/ytk5mOW79g4/s1600/routelist.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="92" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jqVWj7-0gqY/TzfnA1uKo9I/AAAAAAAAHRA/ytk5mOW79g4/s320/routelist.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #990000;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Snag 3&lt;/b&gt; : &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;587s and 587Rs appear to run together providing a useful duplicate service for the crowds &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;travelling from Caistor St Edmund ...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZI21LubNEoU/TzfniiFgQ_I/AAAAAAAAHRI/Kr1DOvV9moE/s1600/587Rtt.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZI21LubNEoU/TzfniiFgQ_I/AAAAAAAAHRI/Kr1DOvV9moE/s1600/587Rtt.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... to Poringland, but only 587Rs run back to Norwich.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #990000;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Snag 4&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt; : Buses to Norwich (&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;northbound&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;) appear to leave from the same stop (Stop A) as buses to Stoke and Poringland which travel &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;southbound&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;. This must involve some very deft and decisive driving.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: #990000;"&gt;Snag 5&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; : The Sunday and Monday to Saturday departures are all mixed up, thus making it all too easy to make a mistake. This is a bludner shared with bus station displays in South Yorkshire. Apparently, according to SYPTE's technical gurus,&amp;nbsp; it avoids confusion for the passengers!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Apart from these minor trivialities, "ito" and Norfolk County Council are doing a really spiffing job.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;GIGO?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Tomorrow we look at another success for an "ito" project, namely bus stop displays for the East Yorkshire company. But (please don't get too excited) fbb will reveal a superb low cost bus stop display system dating from 1964 and earlier.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;It was called ...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;"Total 'Your Passenger Information System' Technology."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: purple;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Next Blog : due Thursday February 16th&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7432323264902617108-7048271247229394612?l=publictransportexperience.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/feeds/7048271247229394612/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/information-is-power-1.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/7048271247229394612'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/7048271247229394612'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/information-is-power-1.html' title='Information is Power [1]'/><author><name>fatbusbloke</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='26' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Zpc3ZPT1bAg/TL2ujD2R6PI/AAAAAAAAAYg/gZfFdSHx8To/S220/Pict0014.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fyBBu4_1m-g/Tzd-Ms6c2XI/AAAAAAAAHPo/CdTYdha0BPs/s72-c/robinmorgan.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-6691436880085213799</id><published>2012-02-14T02:12:00.002Z</published><updated>2012-02-14T11:14:53.967Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Traveline'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Yorkshire'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Transport Direct'/><title type='text'>A Lotta Hassle for Little Houghton [3]</title><content type='html'>You Know, Unipart ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pGFN60tdD3k/TzaS5VVf9oI/AAAAAAAAHNY/oDYssZSg5_A/s1600/unipartvan.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pGFN60tdD3k/TzaS5VVf9oI/AAAAAAAAHNY/oDYssZSg5_A/s1600/unipartvan.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... which fbb thought sold all those ludicrously expensive floggle-toggles to mend a motor car. But, actually, it is a huge group including ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-JSfGKQEi_2g/TzaTVva0clI/AAAAAAAAHNg/ptSQJ4ico4k/s1600/logo.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-JSfGKQEi_2g/TzaTVva0clI/AAAAAAAAHNg/ptSQJ4ico4k/s1600/logo.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... which means it collects, delivers and stores stuff for other companies. Now fbb is thrilled to tell our excitable blog readers that Unipart has one of these:-&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5O4vzWxltG8/TzaTqvm6atI/AAAAAAAAHNo/2w9y2cJBk64/s1600/unipartbarns.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5O4vzWxltG8/TzaTqvm6atI/AAAAAAAAHNo/2w9y2cJBk64/s1600/unipartbarns.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;A Global Fulfilment Centre&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; (spelt wrongly by Unipart : two "l"s not three according to the Oxford English Dictionary : write out your corrections 100 times!), whatever one of those is. And here it is in all its globally fulfilling glory.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lROKLw3zgv0/TzaUVu5sjEI/AAAAAAAAHNw/WRfUjgBly9w/s1600/unipart.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lROKLw3zgv0/TzaUVu5sjEI/AAAAAAAAHNw/WRfUjgBly9w/s1600/unipart.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span id="goog_1287010806"&gt;Its a big shed and some offices built on land that was once part of Houghton Main Colliery. And it's got a bus service. There are shift pattern journeys &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span id="goog_1287010807"&gt;on services 35 and 36 ...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vKM-CSOC_K4/TzaU31ez-yI/AAAAAAAAHN4/VXgDjC5aMNg/s1600/35btt.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vKM-CSOC_K4/TzaU31ez-yI/AAAAAAAAHN4/VXgDjC5aMNg/s1600/35btt.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... some of which are called 35B by Travel South Yorkshire, but they are exactly the same as 35s which is what Stagecoach calls them. Note also that TSY calls it "&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;u&gt;Great&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; Houghton Unipart".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And service 33 provides at least an hourly bus seven days a week. Oh, and according to Traveline, the shed is located at Park Spring Road, &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;u&gt;Little&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; Houghton. This is a new road following disused railway lines and linking Grimethorpe etc. with a whole range of "brown field" regeneration sites.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is the &lt;span style="color: #274e13;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Option 2 &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;of possible journey plan between Barnsley and Buttercross Drive. See A Lotta Hassle for Little Houghton [1] (&lt;a href="http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/lotta-hassle-for-little-houghton-1.html" target="_blank"&gt;read again&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6crofFRQjTU/TzaWTYWML2I/AAAAAAAAHOY/M1yaIUMJpXk/s1600/218_33.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6crofFRQjTU/TzaWTYWML2I/AAAAAAAAHOY/M1yaIUMJpXk/s1600/218_33.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Maybe not an attractive option with an 18 minute walk. Perhaps worth avoiding like the proverbial plague when you see what that "walk" involves. The warehouse is the large pink block top left.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cvbMGF8PqHU/TzaXaEgnE3I/AAAAAAAAHOg/oF3DJFYGpvg/s1600/unipartmap.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="196" sda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cvbMGF8PqHU/TzaXaEgnE3I/AAAAAAAAHOg/oF3DJFYGpvg/s320/unipartmap.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The bus stop for Unipart is here ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0P4N_LNrX84/TzaXwb05rJI/AAAAAAAAHOw/UijVaezVdeo/s1600/unipartnth.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0P4N_LNrX84/TzaXwb05rJI/AAAAAAAAHOw/UijVaezVdeo/s1600/unipartnth.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... with footpaths provided to get you safely into the compound (suitably protected by a high security fence);&amp;nbsp;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;but leading to nowhere else&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;. You could, of course, dice with death on the pavement-less and bus stop-less road and walk over half a mile south to the Ings Lane bridge ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-10oYBtaE1Do/TzaYgor9iII/AAAAAAAAHO4/fnTCDuRRvJw/s1600/ingslane.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="257" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-10oYBtaE1Do/TzaYgor9iII/AAAAAAAAHO4/fnTCDuRRvJw/s320/ingslane.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... clamber up the bank...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-juJ5jpLtDeU/Tzl6misUhAI/AAAAAAAAHTY/BDQ_SgkV8yk/s1600/newroad.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-juJ5jpLtDeU/Tzl6misUhAI/AAAAAAAAHTY/BDQ_SgkV8yk/s1600/newroad.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;looking back from Ings Lane bridge&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;to Unipart in the misty distance&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;... do an SAS style vault over the bridge parapet and/or more high chain link fencing (remember?) ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mefeHDfCHBI/TzaZGehW2yI/AAAAAAAAHPA/F0KGGqlOfXE/s1600/lthoughstop.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="252" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mefeHDfCHBI/TzaZGehW2yI/AAAAAAAAHPA/F0KGGqlOfXE/s320/lthoughstop.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... and yomp defiantly down the Middlecliffe Road to No 8 Buttercross Drive Little Houghton.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;fbb told you it was farcical. And all because the Lady loves Milk Tray?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Xfti74FH4Pc/TzaZwOpOYUI/AAAAAAAAHPI/Fiw68sGTmQM/s1600/milktray.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Xfti74FH4Pc/TzaZwOpOYUI/AAAAAAAAHPI/Fiw68sGTmQM/s1600/milktray.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;No&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;; all because Travel South Yorkshire has an irresistible desire to give everywhere a "district" name, even if it's potty. Then the journey planner, a typically thicko confuser, gives daft results.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;And a finally, a technical question.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;If Unipart &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;were&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; a suitable alighting point for Little Houghton, &lt;b&gt;which it clearly isn't&lt;/b&gt;, then what is wrong with offering fbb a journey on the&amp;nbsp;service 33 at 1140?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="color: #274e13;"&gt;Option 6&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; &lt;span style="color: #274e13;"&gt;: service 33, no changes and an 18 minute walk&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9YdM0JFw_XM/TzaauqvCJRI/AAAAAAAAHPQ/lWSuLH0MuyQ/s1600/33ttTL.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9YdM0JFw_XM/TzaauqvCJRI/AAAAAAAAHPQ/lWSuLH0MuyQ/s1600/33ttTL.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #274e13;"&gt;Total journey time :﻿ 45 minutes&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #274e13;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: purple;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Next Blog : due Wednesday February 15th&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="color: #274e13;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7432323264902617108-6691436880085213799?l=publictransportexperience.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/feeds/6691436880085213799/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/lotta-hassle-for-little-houghton-3.html#comment-form' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/6691436880085213799'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/6691436880085213799'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/lotta-hassle-for-little-houghton-3.html' title='A Lotta Hassle for Little Houghton [3]'/><author><name>fatbusbloke</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='26' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Zpc3ZPT1bAg/TL2ujD2R6PI/AAAAAAAAAYg/gZfFdSHx8To/S220/Pict0014.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pGFN60tdD3k/TzaS5VVf9oI/AAAAAAAAHNY/oDYssZSg5_A/s72-c/unipartvan.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-6170913371875883387</id><published>2012-02-13T06:54:00.003Z</published><updated>2012-02-13T11:24:20.800Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Traveline'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Yorkshire'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Transport Direct'/><title type='text'>A Lotta Hassle for Little Houghton [2]</title><content type='html'>Toying with Traveline?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;In "A Lotta Hassle for Little Houghton [1]" (&lt;a href="http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/lotta-hassle-for-little-houghton-1.html" target="_blank"&gt;read again&lt;/a&gt;) fbb examined the four on-line options for a journey from Barnsley to Buttercross Drive in Little Houghton and the old fellow added a fifth option drawn from his encyclopaedic (?) knowledge of the area.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qeoHL940yQk/TzVxdzkFHcI/AAAAAAAAHL4/M3_aTRiFshw/s1600/lthoughtonmap.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qeoHL940yQk/TzVxdzkFHcI/AAAAAAAAHL4/M3_aTRiFshw/s1600/lthoughtonmap.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Only joking!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Blog readers were invited to comment on which option they would choose. The response was underwhelming, so fbb will offer some further guidance.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0vcJDDEVo0U/TzVzVJjfOdI/AAAAAAAAHMI/2RrVBw2narA/s1600/67turnaround.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0vcJDDEVo0U/TzVzVJjfOdI/AAAAAAAAHMI/2RrVBw2narA/s1600/67turnaround.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;Three of the options (&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="color: #274e13;"&gt;1, 4 and 5&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;) deposited the passenger at "Little Houghton Ings Lane Middlecliffe Road" which is here ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Z-680uMpTB8/TzVzJ9AI4NI/AAAAAAAAHMA/0wrxQWCJ7X4/s1600/lthoughstop.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="252" sda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Z-680uMpTB8/TzVzJ9AI4NI/AAAAAAAAHMA/0wrxQWCJ7X4/s320/lthoughstop.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;... with a "two minute" walk to Buttercross Drive. Because Little Houghton is a "dead end", the bus does a "double run" from the main road at Middlecliffe. Would it not be a little easier to get off at the end of Buttercross Drive and &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;NOT&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; ride to the turn round and back again, pretty though the scenery be?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dWv81HvOogY/TzVzz3TRgZI/AAAAAAAAHMQ/n04DLG0IOiY/s1600/buttercrossstop.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="238" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dWv81HvOogY/TzVzz3TRgZI/AAAAAAAAHMQ/n04DLG0IOiY/s320/buttercrossstop.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;Of course it would!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But Traveline doesn't seem to cope with a lack of bus stop pole on the outward run. The Ings Lane terminal loop is about 500 metres away in the distance. Our destination is just off to the right.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So thanks a bunch, Traveline; an unnecessary walk.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Two options (&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="color: #274e13;"&gt;2 and 4&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;) involved a change at Darfield ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-sJm25LRRC-I/TzV92sAlAyI/AAAAAAAAHMY/6HuYAb7r08M/s1600/darfield.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="250" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-sJm25LRRC-I/TzV92sAlAyI/AAAAAAAAHMY/6HuYAb7r08M/s320/darfield.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... at this very stop.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But it isn't at Darfield; certainly not anywhere in Darfield known to Darfielders. The comunity was (and usually is) known as Millhouses, named after the houses at the mill on the River Dearne, no less, as in Dearne Valley. It used to be the location of Darfield railway station, closed in 1963 ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QUts5Ne_qGo/TzZU0mIrSjI/AAAAAAAAHMg/LjJwoVo51O4/s1600/darfieldstn.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QUts5Ne_qGo/TzZU0mIrSjI/AAAAAAAAHMg/LjJwoVo51O4/s1600/darfieldstn.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... and remembered today in the name of the pub ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9o9d_Cqznqo/TzZVFNNfYZI/AAAAAAAAHMo/DfPS1tviX_E/s1600/stationinn.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9o9d_Cqznqo/TzZVFNNfYZI/AAAAAAAAHMo/DfPS1tviX_E/s1600/stationinn.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... and some bridge abutments. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GQnhkEhbWR8/TzZVS6QLO_I/AAAAAAAAHMw/ZLdzhaSQ5Z4/s1600/millhousesstation.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="226" sda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GQnhkEhbWR8/TzZVS6QLO_I/AAAAAAAAHMw/ZLdzhaSQ5Z4/s320/millhousesstation.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;So Darfield station was at Millhouses and not Darfield, which should not come as a surprise. It gets worse. Google Maps and its associated Streetview facility (much used by fbb's blogs) has at least one bus stop icon in Millhouses labelled ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rNloqfVgi8I/TzZYFglQ_GI/AAAAAAAAHM4/gSf0Lb1W0TY/s1600/stopname.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rNloqfVgi8I/TzZYFglQ_GI/AAAAAAAAHM4/gSf0Lb1W0TY/s1600/stopname.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;... which claims it is at Middlecliffe. It most indubitably isn't. See it all on this map extract.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-36P8-4iQm3c/TzZaJIE9QRI/AAAAAAAAHNI/8HnT_C6apRo/s1600/millmap.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-36P8-4iQm3c/TzZaJIE9QRI/AAAAAAAAHNI/8HnT_C6apRo/s320/millmap.jpg" width="316" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;But does it matter? It very well might matter muchly. If the unwary Traveline traveller&amp;nbsp;were on a&amp;nbsp;Stagecoach 218 ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1iF7P3w5Cck/TzjGcvnMKZI/AAAAAAAAHTI/asDoR15AeMM/s1600/218bus.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1iF7P3w5Cck/TzjGcvnMKZI/AAAAAAAAHTI/asDoR15AeMM/s1600/218bus.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;... and asked to be "put down" at Darfield, he would not be at the right stop for his connection to Little Houghton and doom and disaster would be the likely result.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-color: currentColor; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-width: medium; border-left-color: currentColor; border-left-style: none; border-left-width: medium; border-right-color: currentColor; border-right-style: none; border-right-width: medium; border-top-color: currentColor; border-top-style: none; border-top-width: medium;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;So, thanks another bunch, Traveline and/or Transport defunct for further potential confusion. It was so much easier when you could ring up the Yorkshire Traction enquiry office at Barnsley bus station and speak to the man who knew.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Tomorrow, we examine further the farcical &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="color: #274e13;"&gt;Option 2&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; which deposits the innocent traveller at Park Spring Road, Little Houghton. If it wasn't so silly, it would be almost funny.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: purple;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Next Blog : due Tuesday February 14th&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7432323264902617108-6170913371875883387?l=publictransportexperience.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/feeds/6170913371875883387/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/lotta-hassle-for-little-houghton-2.html#comment-form' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/6170913371875883387'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/6170913371875883387'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/lotta-hassle-for-little-houghton-2.html' title='A Lotta Hassle for Little Houghton [2]'/><author><name>fatbusbloke</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='26' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Zpc3ZPT1bAg/TL2ujD2R6PI/AAAAAAAAAYg/gZfFdSHx8To/S220/Pict0014.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qeoHL940yQk/TzVxdzkFHcI/AAAAAAAAHL4/M3_aTRiFshw/s72-c/lthoughtonmap.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-5133865812301334023</id><published>2012-02-12T01:31:00.000Z</published><updated>2012-02-12T01:31:15.661Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Traveline'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Yorkshire'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Transport Direct'/><title type='text'>A Lotta Hassle for Little Houghton [1]</title><content type='html'>Jolly Puzzles with Journey Planners - Again!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-z1u3A_E52uA/TzUr0y9QFSI/AAAAAAAAHLA/C2DB81-VtmI/s1600/lthoughtonmap.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-z1u3A_E52uA/TzUr0y9QFSI/AAAAAAAAHLA/C2DB81-VtmI/s1600/lthoughtonmap.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;fbb wanted to get to a house in Buttercross Drive, Little Houghton (near Barnsley).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-lbplx5u_fFg/TzUl1v03HLI/AAAAAAAAHKQ/GRKF2iroALc/s1600/buttercross2.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="171" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-lbplx5u_fFg/TzUl1v03HLI/AAAAAAAAHKQ/GRKF2iroALc/s400/buttercross2.jpg" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;At the end of the road which runs past this little cul-de-sac used to be Houghton Main Colliery, part of the vast Barnsley and Dearne Valley Coalfield.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-C6VNUKkuHcU/TzUnLW-ZYKI/AAAAAAAAHKY/YpK85NoNwbg/s1600/houghtonmain.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-C6VNUKkuHcU/TzUnLW-ZYKI/AAAAAAAAHKY/YpK85NoNwbg/s1600/houghtonmain.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Like its associated pit, Grimesthorpe, this colliery closed in 1993 and nothing recognisable remains apart from this sign at the former entrance to the site.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0rgy_qTNeQE/TzUnm2mlXeI/AAAAAAAAHKg/Tn0pbCLNGxA/s1600/middlecturn.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="272" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0rgy_qTNeQE/TzUnm2mlXeI/AAAAAAAAHKg/Tn0pbCLNGxA/s320/middlecturn.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Just opposite the ex pithead winding wheel is this bus stop ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0i3MvtA4NZ0/TzUn32RRddI/AAAAAAAAHKo/PoIckhrD6js/s1600/lthoughstop.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="252" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0i3MvtA4NZ0/TzUn32RRddI/AAAAAAAAHKo/PoIckhrD6js/s320/lthoughstop.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... called "Little Houghton Ings Lane Middecliffe Lane." Readers should try to remember this location. Nice chainlink fence?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Just to complete the picture, here is an aerial view of Little Houghton. Buttercross Drive is marked with a Google Maps letter "A", and the former entrance to the pit, plus bus stop and winding wheel are at the obvious layby cum turning loop on the left.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wyYal2AOgys/TzUoySry9pI/AAAAAAAAHKw/TIhisRBuWkU/s1600/lthoughtonA.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wyYal2AOgys/TzUoySry9pI/AAAAAAAAHKw/TIhisRBuWkU/s1600/lthoughtonA.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;So now all we have to do is to interrogate either Traveline or Transport Defunct. fbb has used the former as the answers take up less space, but, please be assured, they do both give the &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;similar&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; answers.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Which begs the question, why are we taxpayers shelling out &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;our&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; millions for two bits of expensive electronic gubbins? Answers, please to Justine Greening, who is Minister of Transport for this week.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;We are travelling from Barnsley Centre to Buttercross Drive and we may choose the actual address from a list which includes ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-sh9__QcNWCE/TzUqOqWdR0I/AAAAAAAAHK4/wRBb6O9qsKE/s1600/travellingto.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-sh9__QcNWCE/TzUqOqWdR0I/AAAAAAAAHK4/wRBb6O9qsKE/s1600/travellingto.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... addresses in Doncaster, Rotherham and, unbelievably, Kilmarnock.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;fbb is sure that many people wanting to get to Buttercross Drive will be happy to go to a retail park in Ayrshire as a viable alternative. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Confidence is beginning to evaporate like the dew in the early morning sun. Very poetic by not very practicable.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;fbb chooses No. 8 for obvious reasons.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Traveline offers the prospective bus passenger four main options each hour, as recorded below. Our journey is scheduled to leave Barnsley Interchange any time around 11.00 am on a Friday if our readers want to double-check. P. Dantik and Ken Traveline-Dorset are dead certs!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #274e13;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Option 1&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; : 1055 service 219 and an 8 minute connection at Middlecliffe for service 67 and a short walk:-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-R2x1Ym7V4I0/TzUyvSzlHCI/AAAAAAAAHLI/oLfp9EWve80/s1600/219_67A.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="238" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-R2x1Ym7V4I0/TzUyvSzlHCI/AAAAAAAAHLI/oLfp9EWve80/s320/219_67A.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="color: #274e13;"&gt;Total journey time : 39 minutes&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: #274e13;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Option 2&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; : 1110 service 218 and a 6 minute change at Darfield for service 33 and an 18 minute walk&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-SmGicBH9wCo/TzUzbi7vESI/AAAAAAAAHLQ/OEs5N3rbrgY/s1600/218_33.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="189" sda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-SmGicBH9wCo/TzUzbi7vESI/AAAAAAAAHLQ/OEs5N3rbrgY/s320/218_33.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="color: #274e13;"&gt;Total journey time : 50 minutes&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #274e13;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Option 3&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; : 1125 service 219, no change and a 16 minute walk&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-t98RLdVRhnM/TzU0APG4L4I/AAAAAAAAHLY/o9ra8uLtSww/s1600/219_W.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="113" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-t98RLdVRhnM/TzU0APG4L4I/AAAAAAAAHLY/o9ra8uLtSww/s320/219_W.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #274e13;"&gt;Total journey time : 39 minutes&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #274e13;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Option 4&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; : 1140 service 218, 17 minute change at Darfield and a short walk.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-I570Z-U87yc/TzU0pgxzV9I/AAAAAAAAHLo/qPVTg2HHo1A/s1600/219_67.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="192" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-I570Z-U87yc/TzU0pgxzV9I/AAAAAAAAHLo/qPVTg2HHo1A/s320/219_67.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #274e13;"&gt;Total journey time : 43 minutes.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;And an &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Option 5&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; that Traveline does not give you; but with too big a panel to print out so fbb summarises thus:-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: white;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #274e13;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Courier&amp;quot;, monospace;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: white;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #274e13;"&gt;1105 Barnsley service 67&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Courier&amp;quot;, monospace;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: white;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #274e13;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; no changes &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Courier&amp;quot;, monospace;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: white;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #274e13;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; 1222 Little Houghton &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Courier&amp;quot;, monospace;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: white;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #274e13;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; and a short walk &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: white;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #274e13;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Total journey time : 1 hour and 17 minutes. You're right, it is a long way round but it is all on the one bus.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_HqRMG0-920/Tzbu721ZQOI/AAAAAAAAHPg/QqzakWdXdQQ/s1600/67buc.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="226" sda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_HqRMG0-920/Tzbu721ZQOI/AAAAAAAAHPg/QqzakWdXdQQ/s320/67buc.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;You can also tell your friends that you enjoyed sitting on the bus just as it was going to jump. They will be both impressed and bewildered.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ATU7BW2PfKQ/TzbqqL_AfwI/AAAAAAAAHPY/PuN2VKZLcxo/s1600/jumpmap.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ATU7BW2PfKQ/TzbqqL_AfwI/AAAAAAAAHPY/PuN2VKZLcxo/s1600/jumpmap.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Back to the task in hand.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Assuming that you have the choice of &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;all five options&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;; which journey would &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; take? You will need to set the "risk" of tight connection times against possible long walks. It might be pouring with rain! You might prefer one through journey but taking much longer.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;fbb invites comments and will follow up with further debate from Monday.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;Next Blog : due Monday February 13th&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7432323264902617108-5133865812301334023?l=publictransportexperience.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/feeds/5133865812301334023/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/lotta-hassle-for-little-houghton-1.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/5133865812301334023'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/5133865812301334023'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/lotta-hassle-for-little-houghton-1.html' title='A Lotta Hassle for Little Houghton [1]'/><author><name>fatbusbloke</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='26' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Zpc3ZPT1bAg/TL2ujD2R6PI/AAAAAAAAAYg/gZfFdSHx8To/S220/Pict0014.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-z1u3A_E52uA/TzUr0y9QFSI/AAAAAAAAHLA/C2DB81-VtmI/s72-c/lthoughtonmap.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-6695469585683503029</id><published>2012-02-11T03:50:00.004Z</published><updated>2012-02-11T03:59:37.010Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='transport nostalgia'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Yorkshire'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='timetables'/><title type='text'>Selected Snippets : Excluded Epithets!</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;"An epithet is decorative insofar as it is neither essential to the immediate context nor modelled especially for it."&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;So it's a posh word for interesting extra bits!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;"Grimey" is Grimethorpe [1 of a series] (&lt;a href="http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/grimey-is-grimethorpe-1-of-series.html" target="_blank"&gt;read again&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Grimethorpe Colliery Band is now sponsored by RJB Mining. The Band was formed in 1917, as a leisure activity for the workmen at the colliery. It was initially financed by the colliery, a sister company, and a welfare fund set up by the miners themselves. The musicians, most of whom worked at the colliery full-time, perfected their skills through competition. From 1932 to 1945 the band entered 42 such competitions, winning 19 and never coming lower than fifth! It was in 1972, under their new conductor that national and international fame developed.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cDvCQ8u9vms/TzOV9IhInJI/AAAAAAAAHIA/XK7-XTEGmaI/s1600/alberthall.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="209" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cDvCQ8u9vms/TzOV9IhInJI/AAAAAAAAHIA/XK7-XTEGmaI/s320/alberthall.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Sadly, at the last count, only one of the bandsmen lived in Grimethorpe.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Here, however, a snap showing the filming of "Brassed Off" in the village itself.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-acA5i37hY58/TzOWX1x9rDI/AAAAAAAAHII/LZjVa3uMcXY/s1600/filming.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="290" sda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-acA5i37hY58/TzOWX1x9rDI/AAAAAAAAHII/LZjVa3uMcXY/s320/filming.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The film was almost a biography of Grimethorpe, describing the battle to save the Band as the Colliery fell into decline.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;DVR at Grimethorpe [2 of a series] : (&lt;a href="http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/dvr-at-grimethorpe-2-of-series.html" target="_blank"&gt;read again&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The interwebnet produces some delightful gems; and this is one of them.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Z_n7etq_mjA/TzOXxIgFEOI/AAAAAAAAHIQ/mUtlqMkRD84/s1600/gertrude.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Z_n7etq_mjA/TzOXxIgFEOI/AAAAAAAAHIQ/mUtlqMkRD84/s320/gertrude.jpg" width="313" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Gertrude Richardson was signalman at Grimethorpe North until the box closed in 1966. The details of her railway career are told on a splendid little site (&lt;a href="http://www.hastingspress.co.uk/railwaywomen/gertrude.html" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;). fbb is hopeful that a blog reader might be able to tell him exactly &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;where&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; the box was located.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Barnsley to Grimethorpe [3 of a series] (&lt;a href="http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/barnsley-to-grimethorpe-3-of-series.html" target="_blank"&gt;read again&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The once famous Upper Sheffield Road depot, originally for Barnsley's trams, then for Traccy's buses and finally for Stageocach, is no more. It has been demolished and new housing is appearing where once beautiful buses were brushed and brightened-up before beginning their busy day's service.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-P7UUmBJw1Ow/TzPqf6poBkI/AAAAAAAAHKI/IHJ1oQNvi9U/s1600/busdepotnow.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="258" sda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-P7UUmBJw1Ow/TzPqf6poBkI/AAAAAAAAHKI/IHJ1oQNvi9U/s320/busdepotnow.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;When the Google Streetview noddy car trundled past, only the fuel tanks were left standing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;fbb wrote "railways in the Barnsley area are complicated". This 1940s map shows something of the spaghetti of lines to the east of Barnsley stations.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jZKVV0Zptj8/TzOYxpxnDEI/AAAAAAAAHIY/25rRaNq3JjI/s1600/hoylemill.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="277" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jZKVV0Zptj8/TzOYxpxnDEI/AAAAAAAAHIY/25rRaNq3JjI/s320/hoylemill.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The A628 Pontefract Road, and the route to Grimesthorpe, runs from lower left to top right. Hoyle Mill (map centre) was the base of the "Ideal" bus company which, at one time, operated between Barnsley and Pontefract, running service 46, now similar Stagecoach 246. More pictures of "Ideal" buses (&lt;a href="http://jsh1949.co.uk/IDEAL%20BARNSLEY.htm" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dMQ1mmhgj2s/TzOaa8fchMI/AAAAAAAAHIg/bTCMEm5Fs5A/s1600/ideal.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="215" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dMQ1mmhgj2s/TzOaa8fchMI/AAAAAAAAHIg/bTCMEm5Fs5A/s320/ideal.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;The Oaks Viaduct (map centre) was particularly spectacular and carried trains to Cudworth. It was demolished in the 1960s&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-c16Z-OdtOPM/TzOdis6JzUI/AAAAAAAAHIo/QIOvviWXEVs/s1600/cundycross.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="164" sda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-c16Z-OdtOPM/TzOdis6JzUI/AAAAAAAAHIo/QIOvviWXEVs/s320/cundycross.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Traccy to Grimesthorpe [4 of a series] (&lt;a href="http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/traccy-to-grimethorpe-4-of-series.html" target="_blank"&gt;read again&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;In a comment to this blog, Ken Traveline-Dorset confirmed the details of the West Riding services from Grimethorpe to Wakefield and suggested that fbb might add a timetable. So, specially for Ken, here is an extract:-&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eaBtFg0BDe0/TzO4ZDmARYI/AAAAAAAAHJw/HN4e8_ILozQ/s1600/123tt.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="284" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eaBtFg0BDe0/TzO4ZDmARYI/AAAAAAAAHJw/HN4e8_ILozQ/s320/123tt.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;Also "on line", fbb spotted this picture of this splendidly preserved 1913 Barnsley District Electric Traction Company bus. Note that it is going to Grimethorpe.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-buzvTdZ2l34/TzOkmr8hZNI/AAAAAAAAHJQ/vQfoZuYh2MY/s1600/oldbus.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="239" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-buzvTdZ2l34/TzOkmr8hZNI/AAAAAAAAHJQ/vQfoZuYh2MY/s320/oldbus.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Was this the earliest bus route to the village? The Company eventually became Yorkshire Traction.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Stagecoach to Grimethorpe [5 of a series] (&lt;a href="http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/by-stagecoach-to-grimethorpe-5-of.html" target="_blank"&gt;read again&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;fbb is indepted to members of the South Yorkshire Transport forum for kindly supplying both the picture of the Atlantean going to "White City" in the original blog and a couple of shots of privatised Yorkshire Traction vehicles. This bus is also going to "White City" at Grimethorpe ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3cACO2zk6n4/TzOgCMN13WI/AAAAAAAAHI4/xtj26jrJ5-4/s1600/38buspic.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="223" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3cACO2zk6n4/TzOgCMN13WI/AAAAAAAAHI4/xtj26jrJ5-4/s320/38buspic.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... on the route now operated by Red Line.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: #990000;"&gt;A correction:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;fbb had &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;assumed&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; that Red Line's 37 and 38, introduced in response to Stagecoach's withdrawal from these routes, were "tendered" by SYPTE. Apparently they are fully commercial with no supporting PTE cash. Unlike most local authorities, SYPTE does not inform passengers which journeys are financially supported. In his defence, old chubby-chops states that they &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;do look like&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; tendered routes.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #990000;"&gt;"Hi I'm Sean, I started the company in Barnsley, 2008 with 2 buses when I took on 37 service after Stagecoach withdrew it." &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;From the Red Line web site (&lt;a href="http://red-line-buses.co.uk/" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;According to an "anonymous" comment on yesterday's blog, &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; of Red Line's services are commercial. &lt;b&gt;Thanks, anonymous aka P Dantik!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course the "Grimey" White City is not to be confused with a more celebrated namesake in London. Once home of the "Flip-Flap" at the Franco-British Exhibition in 1908 ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KiGDwT_kvx8/TzOhzDx8g5I/AAAAAAAAHJA/wbsjMbu-hr0/s1600/flipflap.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" sda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KiGDwT_kvx8/TzOhzDx8g5I/AAAAAAAAHJA/wbsjMbu-hr0/s320/flipflap.jpg" width="254" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... and now sporting its somewhat more modern Underground Station on the Central Line, and the BBC Television Centre.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PdxNrrK-zM8/TzOiYznhE-I/AAAAAAAAHJI/QcIWCaI-ZBI/s1600/whitecityLT.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PdxNrrK-zM8/TzOiYznhE-I/AAAAAAAAHJI/QcIWCaI-ZBI/s1600/whitecityLT.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Thought? Perhaps the White City estate at Grimethorpe was named after the Exhibition, famed for its bright pristine white exhibition halls? Might brighten the day for a grimy Grimey miner?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And finally another "Oh dear, not again" moment from Travel South Yorkshire. The departure screens at Barnsley's posh interchage show this information for Red Line's service 37 to Windmill Avenue, Grimethorpe (formerly known as "Red City").&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nzC8Nu0DOVQ/TzO5MztCwdI/AAAAAAAAHJ4/TRDDcPRI7gY/s1600/37departure.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nzC8Nu0DOVQ/TzO5MztCwdI/AAAAAAAAHJ4/TRDDcPRI7gY/s1600/37departure.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;It claims that the 37 runs to Brierley. &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;IT DOESN'T and never has done!&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; So for the lads at TSY, and ever willing to help them improve their geographical knowledge; or even help them get &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;some&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; geographical knowledge, here is an extract from fbb's amended version of the Stagecoach network map.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-JPW63lj_RFE/TzO56REF_II/AAAAAAAAHKA/f9RkqFCVQHI/s1600/extract.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-JPW63lj_RFE/TzO56REF_II/AAAAAAAAHKA/f9RkqFCVQHI/s1600/extract.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Brierley is "Church Street" at the top of the map, about half a mile away from the Windmill Avenue terminus.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Oh dear, not again!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;Next Blog : due Sunday February 12th&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7432323264902617108-6695469585683503029?l=publictransportexperience.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/feeds/6695469585683503029/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/selected-snippets-excluded-epithets.html#comment-form' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/6695469585683503029'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/6695469585683503029'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/selected-snippets-excluded-epithets.html' title='Selected Snippets : Excluded Epithets!'/><author><name>fatbusbloke</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='26' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Zpc3ZPT1bAg/TL2ujD2R6PI/AAAAAAAAAYg/gZfFdSHx8To/S220/Pict0014.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cDvCQ8u9vms/TzOV9IhInJI/AAAAAAAAHIA/XK7-XTEGmaI/s72-c/alberthall.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-4978616796943891673</id><published>2012-02-09T09:06:00.019Z</published><updated>2012-02-10T07:25:48.641Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Stagecoach'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Yorkshire'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='timetables'/><title type='text'>Stagecoach to Grimethorpe [5 of a series]</title><content type='html'>The consequences of Colliery Closure&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;Grimethorpe Pit and its linked neighbours closed in 1993 with a loss of about 6,000 jobs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wBkso29qbj8/TzJZSURySuI/AAAAAAAAHGI/yoYqPtggLcI/s1600/strikeposter.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wBkso29qbj8/TzJZSURySuI/AAAAAAAAHGI/yoYqPtggLcI/s1600/strikeposter.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;This was despite the bitter miners' strikes, led by the indefatigable King Arthur Scargill.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-OtjYgTTpzIs/TzJZnBTjlnI/AAAAAAAAHGQ/wneRMB2ZIB4/s1600/goodbyegrimey.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="161" sda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-OtjYgTTpzIs/TzJZnBTjlnI/AAAAAAAAHGQ/wneRMB2ZIB4/s320/goodbyegrimey.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Even the eponymous pub (and once the time point for the buses) ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-j1SXKmmtqWE/TzJ16rlxltI/AAAAAAAAHGY/gt7HhbF5pjs/s1600/grimethorpepub.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="251" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-j1SXKmmtqWE/TzJ16rlxltI/AAAAAAAAHGY/gt7HhbF5pjs/s320/grimethorpepub.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;has gone the way of many.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XJl0uE1CYgY/TzJ8IC7sVhI/AAAAAAAAHGg/873TFNVL_Lw/s1600/pubsite.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="232" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XJl0uE1CYgY/TzJ8IC7sVhI/AAAAAAAAHGg/873TFNVL_Lw/s320/pubsite.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-color: currentColor; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-width: medium; border-left-color: currentColor; border-left-style: none; border-left-width: medium; border-right-color: currentColor; border-right-style: none; border-right-width: medium; border-top-color: currentColor; border-top-style: none; border-top-width: medium;"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;where once "The Grimethorpe" was&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But,&amp;nbsp;much of the less acceptable housing in the centre of the village ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mh0tp_7t8vk/TzJ8nsqg4KI/AAAAAAAAHGo/H5cS5C-p6lg/s1600/backs.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="212" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mh0tp_7t8vk/TzJ8nsqg4KI/AAAAAAAAHGo/H5cS5C-p6lg/s320/backs.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;... has gone and new homes built on the site of old.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aPuTQ3EMzqI/TzJ9x3MLaBI/AAAAAAAAHGw/KNnQeZpkE2A/s1600/newhomes.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="269" sda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aPuTQ3EMzqI/TzJ9x3MLaBI/AAAAAAAAHGw/KNnQeZpkE2A/s320/newhomes.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;And much has happened to Grimey's bus service; now in the capable hands of Stagecoach who bought out the Traction group in 2005. fbb has "tinkered" with the current Stagecoach map to add in services now operated by Redline under tender to SYPTE.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rtHEWkr9KCA/TzJ-vOPUlDI/AAAAAAAAHG4/YVR3zss7FN4/s1600/grimeymap.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rtHEWkr9KCA/TzJ-vOPUlDI/AAAAAAAAHG4/YVR3zss7FN4/s1600/grimeymap.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;Redline's routes ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8h_uuiMYcs8/TzKF2BVTtFI/AAAAAAAAHHw/0pvVmajI2c4/s1600/38redline.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="228" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8h_uuiMYcs8/TzKF2BVTtFI/AAAAAAAAHHw/0pvVmajI2c4/s320/38redline.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;... are shown as, you guessed it, red lines! There's clever cartography for you. Stagecoach now serves only the White City estate (Nancy Crescent) although the traditional name is no longer used. Michael's estate only gained its service in recent times.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;The former 211 route through to Doncaster is now the 36, but only running to South Elmsall.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-oJ2wpt6Q38M/TzKCAHcnIEI/AAAAAAAAHHA/JvpioDwhA7o/s1600/036tt.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-oJ2wpt6Q38M/TzKCAHcnIEI/AAAAAAAAHHA/JvpioDwhA7o/s1600/036tt.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;The 245 has become the 35 ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lg1VDt_6mPg/TzKCIiijP9I/AAAAAAAAHHI/DjWchcfPpQE/s1600/035tt.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lg1VDt_6mPg/TzKCIiijP9I/AAAAAAAAHHI/DjWchcfPpQE/s1600/035tt.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... with the 246 and 247 losing their 200s and everything being operated via Grimethorpe. Notice from the map that nothing now runs via the main A628 between Shafton and Brierley.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;This process was promoted&amp;nbsp; in 2006 ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NX7e5mQNWw4/TzKCrcyfhXI/AAAAAAAAHHQ/wmZ5BRk-IVU/s1600/2006changes.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NX7e5mQNWw4/TzKCrcyfhXI/AAAAAAAAHHQ/wmZ5BRk-IVU/s1600/2006changes.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;... when the process of "Grimethorpisation" provided an increased frequency.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ddBYQa44-qU/TzKC9um17yI/AAAAAAAAHHY/xnQHSlFSqco/s1600/2006headline.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="122" sda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ddBYQa44-qU/TzKC9um17yI/AAAAAAAAHHY/xnQHSlFSqco/s320/2006headline.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;So, despite losing its pit, Grimey has gained a much improved service. Even in 2012, after Stagecoach had abandoned some of the estate routes, the following is available:-&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;33 every hour&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;35 every 30 minutes&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;36 every hour&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;37 every hour (Redline)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;38 every hour (Redline)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;46 every hour&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;47 every hour&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LZSqKbNyz28/TzKEHY9h5jI/AAAAAAAAHHg/LrJ5zeF11jg/s1600/35bus3.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="228" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LZSqKbNyz28/TzKEHY9h5jI/AAAAAAAAHHg/LrJ5zeF11jg/s320/35bus3.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;That is EIGHT buses an hour, or twice the frequency of 1981. Who says bus services have deteriorated? In Grimethorpe they haven't.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Just in case blog reader P. Dantik writes in, fbb must point out that the Redline services only operate between school times from about 1000 to 1500.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Thus Windmill Hill Avenue (Red City terminus of old) ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-m--e1FxNYxY/TzKFlPZO5WI/AAAAAAAAHHo/r1agOPgOQMg/s1600/windmillave2.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="291" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-m--e1FxNYxY/TzKFlPZO5WI/AAAAAAAAHHo/r1agOPgOQMg/s320/windmillave2.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... has a much worse service into the estate than in the past. And any poor soul who wanted a quick nip between Shafton Two Gates and Brierley, previously a direct 3 minute run along the A628, now has to sit for 12 minutes and enjoy a tour of gorgeous Grimethorpe! And, presumably, pay more for the privilege.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Tomorrow (Saturday) fbb will add some Grimethorpe snippets that, in order to keep blogs to a readable length, had to be expurgated from the five postings.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A blog on the fascinating  (?) , but as yet unexplained, service 33 will follow in due course.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;Next Blog : due Saturday February 11th&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7432323264902617108-4978616796943891673?l=publictransportexperience.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/feeds/4978616796943891673/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/by-stagecoach-to-grimethorpe-5-of.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/4978616796943891673'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/4978616796943891673'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/by-stagecoach-to-grimethorpe-5-of.html' title='Stagecoach to Grimethorpe [5 of a series]'/><author><name>fatbusbloke</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='26' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Zpc3ZPT1bAg/TL2ujD2R6PI/AAAAAAAAAYg/gZfFdSHx8To/S220/Pict0014.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wBkso29qbj8/TzJZSURySuI/AAAAAAAAHGI/yoYqPtggLcI/s72-c/strikeposter.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-1028520590440116022</id><published>2012-02-09T03:27:00.005Z</published><updated>2012-02-09T08:58:21.699Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='transport nostalgia'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Yorkshire'/><title type='text'>Traccy to Grimethorpe [4 of a series]</title><content type='html'>Where there's Muck there's Brass&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;It is 1981 and we are travelling to Grimethorpe by bus. Our bus company is Yorkshire Traction ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-L-TNqKv_MsQ/TzI2_vznGcI/AAAAAAAAHEI/2EVwdPY7JsA/s1600/traccydd.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-L-TNqKv_MsQ/TzI2_vznGcI/AAAAAAAAHEI/2EVwdPY7JsA/s1600/traccydd.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;but not, sadly, travelling on one of these!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;... part of the British Electric Traction group and operators of most of the bus services in and around Barnsley. We will be following the A629 Pontefract Road as far as Shafton Two Gates ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fzZLMhajUlI/TzI1OSry6KI/AAAAAAAAHEA/EtlI5nES3_E/s1600/shaftonmapold.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fzZLMhajUlI/TzI1OSry6KI/AAAAAAAAHEA/EtlI5nES3_E/s1600/shaftonmapold.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;... where we turn right for "Grimey". Why "Two Gates"? fbb's guess is that there were, in ancient times, two turnpike toll gates at the crossroads where now stands a pub and a bus garage; and not much else.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fG4ZZV9hNJ4/TzI3YB0aO3I/AAAAAAAAHEQ/claFwWUjYmQ/s1600/foxandhounds.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="229" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fG4ZZV9hNJ4/TzI3YB0aO3I/AAAAAAAAHEQ/claFwWUjYmQ/s320/foxandhounds.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;In support of his guess, the now bypassed bit of Engine Lane (the right hand turn to Grimethorpe, now a cul-de-sac) has been renamed Tollgate Close.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-RaaosKBeX0I/TzJTi-SkJ3I/AAAAAAAAHFw/1CQ_K5s_4hU/s1600/tollgate.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-RaaosKBeX0I/TzJTi-SkJ3I/AAAAAAAAHFw/1CQ_K5s_4hU/s1600/tollgate.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;Back in 1981 we might be privileged to ride on a rear engined double decker ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VowT9ZKtDRo/TzLgjt5EKxI/AAAAAAAAHH4/lmHcRgDAJJ4/s1600/whitecitybus.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VowT9ZKtDRo/TzLgjt5EKxI/AAAAAAAAHH4/lmHcRgDAJJ4/s320/whitecitybus.jpg" width="199" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-color: currentColor; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-width: medium; border-left-color: currentColor; border-left-style: none; border-left-width: medium; border-right-color: currentColor; border-right-style: none; border-right-width: medium; border-top-color: currentColor; border-top-style: none; border-top-width: medium; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;possibly pre PTE route renumbering : mid 70s?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;...&amp;nbsp;but the village of our destination would have&amp;nbsp;shown little change for 60 years or so.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5xsd5A58gDg/TzI4YrrePhI/AAAAAAAAHEg/NKtZoj1zDvw/s1600/highst80s.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5xsd5A58gDg/TzI4YrrePhI/AAAAAAAAHEg/NKtZoj1zDvw/s1600/highst80s.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;1980s life was much the same as it always had been ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KPYLJlY0seY/TzI46TGkCjI/AAAAAAAAHEo/AafTX3xmdOc/s1600/butchers.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="226" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KPYLJlY0seY/TzI46TGkCjI/AAAAAAAAHEo/AafTX3xmdOc/s320/butchers.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;this 1926 family butcher's was still trading in 1986&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;...&amp;nbsp;still with plenty of local shops and a good dose of community life. But the pit, employer of nearly half the male population, was still in full swing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-oBTy8RwbTac/TzJSEH6wxmI/AAAAAAAAHFo/zJl4A3BpXZs/s1600/340_81tt.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-oBTy8RwbTac/TzJSEH6wxmI/AAAAAAAAHFo/zJl4A3BpXZs/s1600/340_81tt.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;There were four buses an hour but not evenly spread. The 340 ran to "Red City", the strangely evocative name for housing estates on the Brierley Road.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HoqlCjljRcw/TzI_lgylidI/AAAAAAAAHE4/vEsh9vCgR4A/s1600/windmillave.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HoqlCjljRcw/TzI_lgylidI/AAAAAAAAHE4/vEsh9vCgR4A/s1600/windmillave.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;The 341 served "White City" and late 1920s development, seen here in the mid 50's, but little changed by 1981.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-AtJu3FLt8D0/TzJAE9I9WBI/AAAAAAAAHFA/76Y1L6b3Izo/s1600/whitecity.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-AtJu3FLt8D0/TzJAE9I9WBI/AAAAAAAAHFA/76Y1L6b3Izo/s1600/whitecity.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-color: currentColor; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-width: medium; border-left-color: currentColor; border-left-style: none; border-left-width: medium; border-right-color: currentColor; border-right-style: none; border-right-width: medium; border-top-color: currentColor; border-top-style: none; border-top-width: medium; text-align: justify;"&gt;Was it called "White" City after the once white upper storey plasterwork on the houses? Note (in the 50s) the paucity of parked motor cars because, for most "Grimey" residents, it was a walk "t t pit" or a bus to Barnsley.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;For the really adventurous, there was the 211 ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_cG1jF2QyfQ/TzJBewXlxUI/AAAAAAAAHFI/3EbQ1zRNfys/s1600/211bus.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_cG1jF2QyfQ/TzJBewXlxUI/AAAAAAAAHFI/3EbQ1zRNfys/s1600/211bus.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-color: currentColor; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-width: medium; border-left-color: currentColor; border-left-style: none; border-left-width: medium; border-right-color: currentColor; border-right-style: none; border-right-width: medium; border-top-color: currentColor; border-top-style: none; border-top-width: medium;"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;N.B. West Yorkshire PTE branding below windscreen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;... which ran all the way to Doncaster! What excitement!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hq-hhI8pjg8/TzJRp5znTFI/AAAAAAAAHFg/UUlkJepei08/s1600/211tt.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hq-hhI8pjg8/TzJRp5znTFI/AAAAAAAAHFg/UUlkJepei08/s1600/211tt.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;To complete the picture, here is an extract from the South Yorkshire PTE bus map for Barnsley and Doncaster, also dated 1981.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9xps_NFbEh0/TzJCrkxF7PI/AAAAAAAAHFQ/9Gc6OZFfCjQ/s1600/map81.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9xps_NFbEh0/TzJCrkxF7PI/AAAAAAAAHFQ/9Gc6OZFfCjQ/s1600/map81.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;For completeness, fbb records that the 122 and 123 were services operated by West Riding from Wakefield. Despite the obvious terminus of the 123, this particular route ran approximately every two hours Monday to Saturday daytime.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;Blog readers may also like to note the services between Barnsley, Upton and Pontefract; routes 245, 246 (extract below) and 247 which used the main A628.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZgL_lxboM9A/TzJVSHBXZPI/AAAAAAAAHGA/C60a61lwCig/s1600/246.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZgL_lxboM9A/TzJVSHBXZPI/AAAAAAAAHGA/C60a61lwCig/s1600/246.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;The successors to these&amp;nbsp;routes appear at Grimethorpe itself in 2012.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;Tomorrow we look at today's services to a revitalised and rejuvenated Grimethope. The twentyfirst century has brought some interesting developments.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;Next Blog : due Friday February 10th&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7432323264902617108-1028520590440116022?l=publictransportexperience.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/feeds/1028520590440116022/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/traccy-to-grimethorpe-4-of-series.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/1028520590440116022'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/1028520590440116022'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/traccy-to-grimethorpe-4-of-series.html' title='Traccy to Grimethorpe [4 of a series]'/><author><name>fatbusbloke</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='26' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Zpc3ZPT1bAg/TL2ujD2R6PI/AAAAAAAAAYg/gZfFdSHx8To/S220/Pict0014.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-L-TNqKv_MsQ/TzI2_vznGcI/AAAAAAAAHEI/2EVwdPY7JsA/s72-c/traccydd.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-8717364315121512853</id><published>2012-02-08T03:19:00.000Z</published><updated>2012-02-08T03:19:15.631Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='transport nostalgia'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='National Rail'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Yorkshire'/><title type='text'>Barnsley to Grimethorpe [3 of a series]</title><content type='html'>The best thing about Barnsley ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;... is the road out to Sheffield (where, incidentally, the main Yorkshire Traction garage was located).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-AtEZVqS8aL4/Ty6g8K36ZaI/AAAAAAAAHBw/UDqtnhJVZLA/s1600/busdepot.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="247" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-AtEZVqS8aL4/Ty6g8K36ZaI/AAAAAAAAHBw/UDqtnhJVZLA/s320/busdepot.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Not really, just a jest, honest!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Barnsley, ancestral home of Charlie Williams, Michael Parkinson, Dickie Bird, Arthur Scargill, C J de Mooi and Harry Worth (actually from Pilley, not Barnsley), epitomises all that is Northern; even better, all that is South Yorkshire.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;There's the iconic pie and pea dinner.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-pMX7AtDFqcM/Ty6atllcYeI/AAAAAAAAHBA/qnyOHcpXDoE/s1600/pieandpeas.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-pMX7AtDFqcM/Ty6atllcYeI/AAAAAAAAHBA/qnyOHcpXDoE/s1600/pieandpeas.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;fbb failed to find a &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;proper&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; picture of this culinary delight. The pie had indeterminate contents, nominally "meat", with dayglo green pea sludge poured over it. Forget "nouvelle cuisine"!! The whole gastronomic sensation was served in a white pot bowl and eaten with a spoon, all washed down with a pint of Barnsley Best Bitter. The brave added a generous dash if vinegar (to the pies and peas, not the beer)! It was the standard 1960s lunch eaten after a visit &amp;nbsp;"t t stooers" ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9-cbJ7X1Ppo/Ty6bVhoj46I/AAAAAAAAHBI/UVGVMpBMIhI/s1600/coop.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="228" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9-cbJ7X1Ppo/Ty6bVhoj46I/AAAAAAAAHBI/UVGVMpBMIhI/s320/coop.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... the Barnsley British Co-op; or on an expedition to the excellent (open and under cover) Barnsley markets.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8uDi_wy7vFc/Ty6bqkPs85I/AAAAAAAAHBQ/jplTZU5NOto/s1600/market.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8uDi_wy7vFc/Ty6bqkPs85I/AAAAAAAAHBQ/jplTZU5NOto/s1600/market.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;At the main crossroads in the pre-pedestrianised, pre-bypassed centre, your bus would be beckoned through by P.C. Bill Harber, often resplendent in a white smock but always sporting his huge ginger handlebar moustache.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vDtcGf4-oxI/Ty6cDkHtV4I/AAAAAAAAHBY/AirZdzWDTxA/s1600/billharber.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="268" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vDtcGf4-oxI/Ty6cDkHtV4I/AAAAAAAAHBY/AirZdzWDTxA/s320/billharber.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;P. C. Harber was awarded the MBE for his services to the town of Barnsley, and well he deserved it. The traffic would have seized up completely without him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After your shopping trip, it was back to the bus station for the journey home.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qpqB0Bgem6o/Ty6eRUbboVI/AAAAAAAAHBg/yZV5pCEMmxk/s1600/busstationold.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="140" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qpqB0Bgem6o/Ty6eRUbboVI/AAAAAAAAHBg/yZV5pCEMmxk/s320/busstationold.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;This view, looking roughly south, shows the main "island platform" squeezed in between Barnsley Exchange station on the left, and Barnsley Court House station (closed in 1960) from which the picture was taken.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-C1Wn-ux0HCg/Ty6gnP-EkQI/AAAAAAAAHBo/I35kSQ-4ImE/s1600/busstationold2.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="215" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-C1Wn-ux0HCg/Ty6gnP-EkQI/AAAAAAAAHBo/I35kSQ-4ImE/s320/busstationold2.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;Railway routes in and through Barnsley are immensely complicated and well beyond blogging brevity. The map below may assist in confusing our readers.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-514T-v9S33Q/Ty6iXFEm1mI/AAAAAAAAHB4/gFif17_SclQ/s1600/railmap.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-514T-v9S33Q/Ty6iXFEm1mI/AAAAAAAAHB4/gFif17_SclQ/s1600/railmap.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: magenta;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pink &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;lines were Great Central Railway (Exchange); &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: lime;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Green &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;lines, Midland (Court House) and &lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Blue&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #444444;"&gt;, &lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;Lancashire and Yorkshire&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;Exchange).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;Barnsley Exchange is now simply Barnsley Station&amp;nbsp;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-IfIblF1PzQ0/Ty6lhKvZlTI/AAAAAAAAHCA/eovlOsjHWfk/s1600/exchange.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="189" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-IfIblF1PzQ0/Ty6lhKvZlTI/AAAAAAAAHCA/eovlOsjHWfk/s320/exchange.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;... trendily (?) rebuilt...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nuKPpIzrpSI/Ty6tlGCVCfI/AAAAAAAAHCg/pEXR_P3sLRU/s1600/stationnow.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nuKPpIzrpSI/Ty6tlGCVCfI/AAAAAAAAHCg/pEXR_P3sLRU/s1600/stationnow.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... and recently linked to a very un-Barnsley new "Interchange" all glass, escalators and posh; with little sheep pens for waiting passengers.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7W-OWvZkTbk/Ty6mDnSxRkI/AAAAAAAAHCQ/soCQeWR1g4w/s1600/barnsinterchange2.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="285" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7W-OWvZkTbk/Ty6mDnSxRkI/AAAAAAAAHCQ/soCQeWR1g4w/s320/barnsinterchange2.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;Eee, it weren't lark that when fbb were a lad.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But we step back to 1981, to the old bus station and prepare to take a virtual journey to Grimey.Why 1981? Because that's the date on fbb's earliest remaining Barnsley area timetable book.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;Next Blog : due Thursday February 9th&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7432323264902617108-8717364315121512853?l=publictransportexperience.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/feeds/8717364315121512853/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/barnsley-to-grimethorpe-3-of-series.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/8717364315121512853'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/8717364315121512853'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/barnsley-to-grimethorpe-3-of-series.html' title='Barnsley to Grimethorpe [3 of a series]'/><author><name>fatbusbloke</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='26' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Zpc3ZPT1bAg/TL2ujD2R6PI/AAAAAAAAAYg/gZfFdSHx8To/S220/Pict0014.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-AtEZVqS8aL4/Ty6g8K36ZaI/AAAAAAAAHBw/UDqtnhJVZLA/s72-c/busdepot.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-2945985403200677903</id><published>2012-02-07T00:44:00.000Z</published><updated>2012-02-07T00:44:42.524Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='transport nostalgia'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='National Rail'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Yorkshire'/><title type='text'>DVR at Grimethorpe [2 of a series]</title><content type='html'>DVR?&lt;br /&gt;Digital video recorder&lt;br /&gt;Discrete valuation ring&lt;br /&gt;Distance-vector routing&lt;br /&gt;Direct volume rendering&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;DVR, in this case, refers to the &lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;D&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;earne &lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;V&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;alley &lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;R&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;ailway Company's line which served a station at Grimethorpe, near Barnsley. It is not to be confused with the modern "Dearne Valley Line" which provides a spartan local service to Sheffield and York, giving Pontefract Baghill its two-trains-a-day service.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-82MskWIJFG0/Ty43_eUcDAI/AAAAAAAAG_w/oVou4hYGxRE/s1600/baghilltt.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-82MskWIJFG0/Ty43_eUcDAI/AAAAAAAAG_w/oVou4hYGxRE/s1600/baghilltt.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Our DVR ran from nowhere in particular near Wakefield to a series of junctions south of Doncaster station.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-AP67E_wKtEw/TzAGZnbmDbI/AAAAAAAAHDw/TglPvKNTBsQ/s1600/dvr.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-AP67E_wKtEw/TzAGZnbmDbI/AAAAAAAAHDw/TglPvKNTBsQ/s1600/dvr.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;The line was incorporated by an Act of 6 August 1897, but progress was slow and the line did not open throughout to goods traffic until 1909 and to passenger traffic between Wakefield Kirkgate and Edlington. The line amounted to 21 miles. There was an extensive coal traffic, serving a number of important collieries along the line. The railway was worked by the Lancashire &amp;amp; Yorkshire Railway. On 1 January 1922 the London &amp;amp; North Western Railway absorbed both the Lancashire &amp;amp; Yorkshire and Dearne Valley Railways, which then became part of the LMS on 1 January 1923. Passenger service was withdrawn on 10 September 1951.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Passenger services were never frequent and the line's stations were mostly designated "Halts", so its main business was to serve a whole list of Collieries along the valley. Running south these were:-&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Brierley&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Grimesthorpe&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Houghton Main&lt;br /&gt;Goldthorpe&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Denaby Main&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Cadeby&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Clearly King Coal was the main (the only?) source of revenue for this line.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;Brierley pit was some distance from the line ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-U3fyklObwIw/Ty473AcI7yI/AAAAAAAAHAA/qppRAK4zMZ4/s1600/brierleycoll.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="236" sda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-U3fyklObwIw/Ty473AcI7yI/AAAAAAAAHAA/qppRAK4zMZ4/s320/brierleycoll.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;... and linked by its own little "ginny" train ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9ivKQYeafgA/Ty47whbJxwI/AAAAAAAAG_4/2zCF0fi79wA/s1600/brierleyline.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="214" sda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9ivKQYeafgA/Ty47whbJxwI/AAAAAAAAG_4/2zCF0fi79wA/s320/brierleyline.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;... with its former track still in use today as farm access and footpath. Nothing is left of the interchange sidings, however, except for a few workers' cottages just off Hodroyd Lane at Shafton.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4u26XkoF-v0/Ty49aNafLFI/AAAAAAAAHAI/yTCU5wYeTyo/s1600/holroydclo.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="287" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4u26XkoF-v0/Ty49aNafLFI/AAAAAAAAHAI/yTCU5wYeTyo/s320/holroydclo.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;Just south of the sidings, located in open country and to the west of Engine Lane, is the site of Grimethorpe Halt. One parapet of the road bridge remains.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-oiRPZde7kgc/Ty4-JMt3xqI/AAAAAAAAHAQ/A2RFjCzfJE4/s1600/stationsite.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="267" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-oiRPZde7kgc/Ty4-JMt3xqI/AAAAAAAAHAQ/A2RFjCzfJE4/s320/stationsite.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;It was a good half mile from Grimesthorpe High Street and significantly further from the main housing estates. The station was never busy, as most people who needed to travel wanted to get to Barnsley and not Wakefield. The line closed to freight progressively from 1966, but a connection to the Brierley Colliery interchange sidings remained in use for another 30 years.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;fbb has been unable to locate any recognisable pictures of the station or trains on the line, but the interwebnet offers ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fUI_yIA_8Xg/Ty_-eZaXk5I/AAAAAAAAHDY/994F3-M9gCI/s1600/coaltrain.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="282" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fUI_yIA_8Xg/Ty_-eZaXk5I/AAAAAAAAHDY/994F3-M9gCI/s320/coaltrain.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... "a coal train travelling north near Grimethorpe". Other sources suggest that the passenger service (closed in 1951) was originally operated by a Lancashire and Yorkshire rail motor like this ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-JP6dHF9kh00/Ty_-55qxErI/AAAAAAAAHDg/DW8rZVt01U0/s1600/railmotor.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-JP6dHF9kh00/Ty_-55qxErI/AAAAAAAAHDg/DW8rZVt01U0/s1600/railmotor.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... which would be more than adequate for the crowds of passengers!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Conisbrough viaduct across the River Don, further south east, near Doncaster, is the most interesting feature of this little-known route.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-A_h94fmGj-s/Ty5BE4jqVOI/AAAAAAAAHAY/VXoWhWPyu2M/s1600/viaduct.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="256" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-A_h94fmGj-s/Ty5BE4jqVOI/AAAAAAAAHAY/VXoWhWPyu2M/s320/viaduct.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;It consists of 21 arches, 14 on the western or Cadeby bank of the river, and 7 on the eastern or Conisbrough bank which are connected by an iron girder bridge. The total length of the viaduct is 528 yards, or a quarter of a mile and 88 yards. A feature of the work was the overhead travelling cradle which was used for carrying men and materials to and fro across the river. It was technically called a ‘Blondin’ and was an American invention which was first used in England in connection with the erection of Vauxhall Bridge across the River Thames. The Cable on which the Blondin operated was 1,875 feet in length and was fastened to two 80 feet high steel masts, positioned beyond the ends of the viaduct.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xJyv5NAH7Qc/Ty5KPcRZxiI/AAAAAAAAHA4/Q88ZjpoL-t8/s1600/blondin.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xJyv5NAH7Qc/Ty5KPcRZxiI/AAAAAAAAHA4/Q88ZjpoL-t8/s1600/blondin.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;a "blondin", but not at Conisbrough&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;The viaduct arches were built of red brick, faced with a double course of Staffordshire pressed blue brick. In total about 15 million bricks were used in the viaduct’s construction and a quantity of these were pressed by local brick firms at Barnsley, Mexborough and Rotherham.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Georgia&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;It is now a most impressive public footpath and cycleway link between the villages of Cadeby and Edlington.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_X6BGN19NjY/Ty5B4okbqFI/AAAAAAAAHAg/hdlGBOxvNwk/s1600/viaductpath.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="236" sda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_X6BGN19NjY/Ty5B4okbqFI/AAAAAAAAHAg/hdlGBOxvNwk/s320/viaductpath.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;A more eclectic piece of trivia, however, concerns the manager of the Dearne Valley Railway ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rz6GL0g5HOE/TzAGpIItFVI/AAAAAAAAHD4/BNR3zjCSKeE/s1600/meyer.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rz6GL0g5HOE/TzAGpIItFVI/AAAAAAAAHD4/BNR3zjCSKeE/s1600/meyer.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... Sebastian Willam Meyer [lived from 1856 to 1946]. As well as a railway manager, Seb penned a hymn or two, one of which is quoted here.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MwIEHYDENyU/Ty5DArPNb0I/AAAAAAAAHAw/tP621jeXuNg/s1600/meyerhymn.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MwIEHYDENyU/Ty5DArPNb0I/AAAAAAAAHAw/tP621jeXuNg/s1600/meyerhymn.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Education might be better if more of today's schools were built on such a secure moral foundation.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Suitably spiritually inspired, we return to Grimethorpe. Going there by train never was a realistic option, so tomorrow we start our virtual exploration of bus travel to Grimey.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It all begins at beautiful Barnsley (?).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8_nViUhCVvY/Ty_vyX60OVI/AAAAAAAAHDQ/HEEGsCoLT54/s1600/beautiful.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8_nViUhCVvY/Ty_vyX60OVI/AAAAAAAAHDQ/HEEGsCoLT54/s1600/beautiful.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;the exit from Barnsley bus station.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;Exchange railway station &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;in the background.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;bridge at Court House railway station : c1960&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;P.S. Grand Central's trains from Kings Cross to Bradford traverse the bit of line between Crofton Junctions and Wakefield Kirkgate (see map above).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;Next Blog : due&amp;nbsp;Wednesday February 8th&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7432323264902617108-2945985403200677903?l=publictransportexperience.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/feeds/2945985403200677903/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/dvr-at-grimethorpe-2-of-series.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/2945985403200677903'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/2945985403200677903'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/dvr-at-grimethorpe-2-of-series.html' title='DVR at Grimethorpe [2 of a series]'/><author><name>fatbusbloke</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='26' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Zpc3ZPT1bAg/TL2ujD2R6PI/AAAAAAAAAYg/gZfFdSHx8To/S220/Pict0014.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-82MskWIJFG0/Ty43_eUcDAI/AAAAAAAAG_w/oVou4hYGxRE/s72-c/baghilltt.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-8838198301291064729</id><published>2012-02-06T02:14:00.001Z</published><updated>2012-02-06T02:18:11.833Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='transport nostalgia'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Yorkshire'/><title type='text'>"Grimey" is Grimethorpe [1 of a series]</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;What The Dickens is fbb Talking About? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zb09eeNx1MU/Ty2bZHJ5nOI/AAAAAAAAG-A/7YI-z60Kg4M/s1600/grimethorpepit.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="236" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zb09eeNx1MU/Ty2bZHJ5nOI/AAAAAAAAG-A/7YI-z60Kg4M/s320/grimethorpepit.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;It was a town of red brick, or of brick that would have been red if the smoke and ashes had allowed it; but as matters stood, it was a town of unnatural red and black like the painted face of a savage. It was a town of machinery and tall chimneys, out of which interminable serpents of smoke trailed themselves for ever and ever, and never got uncoiled. It had a black canal in it, and vast piles of buildings full of windows where there was a rattling and a trembling all day long,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zBiN50x55ss/Ty2cTpN-9EI/AAAAAAAAG-I/EwQhkV9b8Qw/s1600/grimethorpepit1.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="188" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zBiN50x55ss/Ty2cTpN-9EI/AAAAAAAAG-I/EwQhkV9b8Qw/s320/grimethorpepit1.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;and where the pistons of the steam-engine worked monotonously up and down, like the head of an elephant in a state of melancholy madness. It contained several large streets all very like one another, and many small streets still more like one another, inhabited by people equally like one another, who all went in and out at the same hours, with the same sound upon the same pavements, to do the same work, and to whom every day was the same as yesterday and to-morrow, and every year the counterpart of the last and the next.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fvP9YS7JFqA/Ty2eYJPlc1I/AAAAAAAAG-Q/UPMcjNlX2aI/s1600/dickens.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="200" sda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fvP9YS7JFqA/Ty2eYJPlc1I/AAAAAAAAG-Q/UPMcjNlX2aI/s200/dickens.jpg" width="163" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;It is the 200th Anniversary of the birth of Charles Dickens. The description above is from "Hard Times" and describes Coketown, the fictional home of much of the story.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;It could be a description of any town with one heavy industry at its heart. Once upon a time it could have described Grimethorpe, near Barnsley.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qoDzAQW2Y1s/Ty7vfT2tnnI/AAAAAAAAHCw/9a0lwdb7yU4/s1600/bigmap.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="178" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qoDzAQW2Y1s/Ty7vfT2tnnI/AAAAAAAAHCw/9a0lwdb7yU4/s320/bigmap.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;And those who imagine the name as particularly appropriate might like to be informed that the locality draws its supposedly soiled sobriquet from an ancient Briton called "Grim" who owned a little farming village, a Thorp no less. Even ancient British Grim would be astounded at what his little Thorp had become in the twentieth century.&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-k_eIUwMtMK4/Ty2tO9m04KI/AAAAAAAAG-Y/KUUqTY46LVA/s1600/grimethorpe30s.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-k_eIUwMtMK4/Ty2tO9m04KI/AAAAAAAAG-Y/KUUqTY46LVA/s1600/grimethorpe30s.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;Grimethorpe &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; its colliery.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;The 1981 census recorded 44% of Grimethorpe workers as miners. The two adjacent pits in the village were called 'Grimethorpe' and 'Ferrymoor'. The latter merged with 'Riddings' in 1967, which in turn merged with 'South Kirkby' in 1985. Grimethorpe colliery was one of the deepest pits in Britain and, following similar mergers with 'Houghton Main' and 'Dearne Valley', employed 6,000 men at the time of the closure in May 1993. During mid-October of the UK Miners' Strike (1984-1985), there was a series of riots in Grimethorpe and local residents complained that the policing was too heavy-handed. Relations between the community and the police remained very cold for the next decade.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;There was also a pit at Brierley, a village to the North.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cFThOh43oQI/Ty2xMyUZvBI/AAAAAAAAG-g/D3ZH8_HfmW8/s1600/brierleycoll1.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="260" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cFThOh43oQI/Ty2xMyUZvBI/AAAAAAAAG-g/D3ZH8_HfmW8/s320/brierleycoll1.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;Most (many?) blog readers will have heard of the world-famous Grimethorpe Colliery Band ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rpPUSnALhJA/Ty2xYnej47I/AAAAAAAAG-o/C3JyNzOSAFs/s1600/band.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="187" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rpPUSnALhJA/Ty2xYnej47I/AAAAAAAAG-o/C3JyNzOSAFs/s320/band.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;Brassed Off is a 1996 British film written and directed by Mark Herman. The film is about the troubles faced by a colliery brass band, following the closure of their pit. The soundtrack for the film was provided by the Grimethorpe Colliery Band, and the plot is based on Grimethorpe's own struggles against pit closures. It is generally very positively received for its role in promoting brass bands and their music. Parts of the film make reference to the huge increase in suicides that resulted from the end of the coal industry in Britain, and the struggle to retain hope in the circumstances.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Izs8nrC1Vx4/Ty4dFPXqaQI/AAAAAAAAG_I/L3_VYXayDyc/s1600/brassedoff.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Izs8nrC1Vx4/Ty4dFPXqaQI/AAAAAAAAG_I/L3_VYXayDyc/s1600/brassedoff.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;The film stars the late Pete Postlethwaite, Tara Fitzgerald and Ewan McGregor. The film was well received as a comedy, and by some as a political statement about the state of traditional coal mining communities in Britain.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The film was particularly well received in former mining communities, who felt it accurately reflected the suffering they faced because of the decline of their industry during the years of the Thatcher and Major Conservative governments. It is set during the latter period, when Michael Heseltine presided over a huge programme of pit closures, as President of the Board of Trade.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Today, in 2012, you would never know that there was ever a pit at Grimethorpe.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ICVXv5shrIo/Ty7mMfvdIRI/AAAAAAAAHCo/updRwGJAwV0/s1600/pitclosed.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ICVXv5shrIo/Ty7mMfvdIRI/AAAAAAAAHCo/updRwGJAwV0/s1600/pitclosed.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;Where stood the massive winding gear and pit power station now lie acres of bland low-employment warehousing ...&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FP_5aKjyJU8/Ty4ebGElhcI/AAAAAAAAG_Q/CJgSkQJLx84/s1600/warehouse.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="286" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FP_5aKjyJU8/Ty4ebGElhcI/AAAAAAAAG_Q/CJgSkQJLx84/s320/warehouse.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;... and modern "residential units" with small windows.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1g0flmiHXks/Ty4f4Mo7J2I/AAAAAAAAG_Y/_Duld2jcZ-g/s1600/estate.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="224" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1g0flmiHXks/Ty4f4Mo7J2I/AAAAAAAAG_Y/_Duld2jcZ-g/s320/estate.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;Casual readers and enthusiasts alike may ask, perhaps with a hint of sadness, about the depressing decline of public transport in the wake of pit closures etc. They may be surprised ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rYeQYuisNOM/Ty4gz9TrqyI/AAAAAAAAG_g/FKjdRGu304o/s1600/interchange.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="260" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rYeQYuisNOM/Ty4gz9TrqyI/AAAAAAAAG_g/FKjdRGu304o/s320/interchange.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;... because it's got an "interchange". O.K., its only four bus shelters and a myterious blue totem pole thingey, but South Yorkshire PTE thinks it's an "interchange", their euphemism for a bus station.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;So tomorrow we remember Grimethorpe's minimalist rail service.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;And it's "Grimey" for Grimethorpe, by the way; not "Grimy" for, well, grimy! And don't confuse it with Grime&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;thorpe, now an industrial suburb of Sheffield; ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mzyFjg1GsPI/Ty4lmy0JFiI/AAAAAAAAG_o/ojzVbNojXuw/s1600/grimesthorpe.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mzyFjg1GsPI/Ty4lmy0JFiI/AAAAAAAAG_o/ojzVbNojXuw/s1600/grimesthorpe.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;... some would say, equally appropriately named.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #9fc5e8;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #d0e0e3;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: #073763;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Next Blog : due Tuesday February 7th&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7432323264902617108-8838198301291064729?l=publictransportexperience.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/feeds/8838198301291064729/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/grimey-is-grimethorpe-1-of-series.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/8838198301291064729'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/8838198301291064729'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/grimey-is-grimethorpe-1-of-series.html' title='&quot;Grimey&quot; is Grimethorpe [1 of a series]'/><author><name>fatbusbloke</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='26' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Zpc3ZPT1bAg/TL2ujD2R6PI/AAAAAAAAAYg/gZfFdSHx8To/S220/Pict0014.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zb09eeNx1MU/Ty2bZHJ5nOI/AAAAAAAAG-A/7YI-z60Kg4M/s72-c/grimethorpepit.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-1265073284236678164</id><published>2012-02-05T06:02:00.000Z</published><updated>2012-02-05T06:02:06.063Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='transport policy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='first bus'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Yorkshire'/><title type='text'>The ftr is Uncertain</title><content type='html'>York, Leeds, Swansea? What next?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Route One is a weekly on-line magazine (&lt;a href="http://www.route-one.net/" trget="_blank"&gt;read here&lt;/a&gt;), mainly aimed at the engineering and vehicles side of bus and coach operation. The mag is clearly supported financially by the plethora of adverts for new and second-hand vehicles. So, if you fancy starting a bus service, this is a good pace to look for your first purchase!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The edition for Friday 3rd February headlines First's stunning (?) new livery ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Q25q-rTWyow/Ty0X2jbK7oI/AAAAAAAAG9I/kfr5riPWKC4/s1600/firstlivdetail.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Q25q-rTWyow/Ty0X2jbK7oI/AAAAAAAAG9I/kfr5riPWKC4/s1600/firstlivdetail.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... no, not &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; stunning new livery, but the slightly less monochrome effort.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cWWtgGEB0hQ/Ty0YoiKLRCI/AAAAAAAAG9Q/rifQbQkl8lQ/s1600/routeone.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="316" sda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cWWtgGEB0hQ/Ty0YoiKLRCI/AAAAAAAAG9Q/rifQbQkl8lQ/s320/routeone.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;The magazine (web-a-zine?) also outlines First's Fearnley-led futuristic forecasts for the company's next few years.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-C9xxPFZA6h0/Ty0ZRP58LeI/AAAAAAAAG9Y/N53mgNITCrw/s1600/better.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-C9xxPFZA6h0/Ty0ZRP58LeI/AAAAAAAAG9Y/N53mgNITCrw/s1600/better.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;fbb is certain that his own personal Christian &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Journey for Life&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; offers a better deal even than First's, but noble and pseudo-spiritual sentiments have to be a feature of corporate mission statements, these days; even if they are somewhat vapid!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But elsewhere in Route One, another change in the ftr of bus services is heralded ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NtpBxRdemuY/Ty0aIL0CbjI/AAAAAAAAG9g/ZZ6NO1OuhbI/s1600/ftrleave.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NtpBxRdemuY/Ty0aIL0CbjI/AAAAAAAAG9g/ZZ6NO1OuhbI/s1600/ftrleave.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... not another First network abandonment, but the end of the Wright Streetcar "ftr" service between Acomb and York University.&amp;nbsp; In a company statement, Dave Alexander,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-83r1UIy5DnA/Ty0bLkR6VNI/AAAAAAAAG9o/hf9tyg9NWlw/s1600/davealex.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-83r1UIy5DnA/Ty0bLkR6VNI/AAAAAAAAG9o/hf9tyg9NWlw/s1600/davealex.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;boss of First's Sheffield, Leeds, York and Manchester operations, says:-&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;Following a comprehensive review of passenger growth prospects, First has identified an opportunity to launch the ftr elsewhere in its Northern Region. As a result the ftr vehicles will be withdrawn from York for a full refurbishment programme ahead of being introduced into service elsewhere.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So it's nothing to do with the fact that it never really worked, and York City didn't like it after all, and many of the promised bus priority measures never materialised? Nothing to do with that at all! And nothing to do with the fact that it was expensive to run with on-board ticketing staff?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The 30 "customer care assistants" [they used to be called "conductors" when fbb were nobbut a lad] are to lose their jobs. Low floor double deck buses will replace the ftr vehicles.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This move should come as no surprise to readers of this blog. The chubby one was decidedly underwhelmed by his first First trip on ftr York and the "whelming" continued to be very much "under" on subsequent visits. See "The ftr's Bright, the ftr's Purple [1]" (&lt;a href="http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2011/11/ftrs-bright-ftrs-purple-1.html" target="_blank"&gt;read again&lt;/a&gt;) and&amp;nbsp; "The ftr's Bright, the ftr's Purple [2]" (&lt;a href="http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2011/11/ftrs-bright-ftrs-purple-2.html" target="_blank"&gt;read again&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-oOvPJcOqlk0/Ty0kNvGqp1I/AAAAAAAAG94/v_gNn278OKM/s1600/yorkftr.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-oOvPJcOqlk0/Ty0kNvGqp1I/AAAAAAAAG94/v_gNn278OKM/s320/yorkftr.jpg" width="318" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;York's ftr dies; what about Leeds ftr, also part of First's Northern Region? Will ftr fade finally there as well? And Swansea? No comment yet, but ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;where&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; will they be re-deployed? Again, no specific announcement as yet; but presumably on a high profile frequent urban route somewhere, hopefully with wide ftr-favourable roads and good bus priorities. Blog readers are invited to speculate.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Lets hope they get a distinctive livery; perhaps a change from purple?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3t6wxmVbOpw/Ty0git5Y7II/AAAAAAAAG9w/w8xibo7ij0A/s1600/ftrnewliv.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="140" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3t6wxmVbOpw/Ty0git5Y7II/AAAAAAAAG9w/w8xibo7ij0A/s320/ftrnewliv.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Perhaps not!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;And, talking of &amp;nbsp;First's livery, fbb wonders what delights they will display to deliver their dynamic transport contract for the Olympics. We can't wait!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A final flippant thought; will "customer care assitants" give &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;five&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; rings for a full Olympic bus? [Groan]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #9fc5e8;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #d0e0e3;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: #073763;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Next Blog : due Monday February 6th&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7432323264902617108-1265073284236678164?l=publictransportexperience.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/feeds/1265073284236678164/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/ftr-is-uncertain.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/1265073284236678164'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/1265073284236678164'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/ftr-is-uncertain.html' title='The ftr is Uncertain'/><author><name>fatbusbloke</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='26' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Zpc3ZPT1bAg/TL2ujD2R6PI/AAAAAAAAAYg/gZfFdSHx8To/S220/Pict0014.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Q25q-rTWyow/Ty0X2jbK7oI/AAAAAAAAG9I/kfr5riPWKC4/s72-c/firstlivdetail.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-8878756683996472148</id><published>2012-02-04T08:32:00.002Z</published><updated>2012-02-04T09:11:11.488Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Sheffield'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='timetables'/><title type='text'>Lemniscate or Obfuscate</title><content type='html'>Lemniscate? See note [1]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;----------------------------------------------------------------&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #990000;"&gt;If you are used to reading fbb's blog early in the day, today&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #990000;"&gt;you would have had to wait until 0830. fbb lives at the end&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #990000;"&gt;of a very thin internet wire and his broadband is often&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #990000;"&gt;narrow. Sometimes it stops altogether. Apologies!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;---------------------------------------------------------------- &lt;/div&gt;To Infinity and Beyond ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nNOVqup9TnQ/Tyw-1yQvQnI/AAAAAAAAG8w/A3ZhqqNHsd4/s1600/buzz.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="196" sda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nNOVqup9TnQ/Tyw-1yQvQnI/AAAAAAAAG8w/A3ZhqqNHsd4/s200/buzz.jpg" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Readers may remember two very popular fbb blogs. See "Are They Having a Laugh" (&lt;a href="http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2011/08/are-they-having-laugh.html" target="_blank"&gt;read again&lt;/a&gt;) and "Are They Having a Laugh Still Sniggering" (&lt;a href="http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2011/08/are-they-having-laugh-still-sniggering.html" target="_blank"&gt;read again&lt;/a&gt;). They concerned the timetable first posted at Barncliffe Road, Sheffield, for jointly marketed Optio Orange service 120 way back in July 2011.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GYMSPlWkXWk/TyhMYlDs5gI/AAAAAAAAG5A/-dbz0KHqAtI/s1600/120mf.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GYMSPlWkXWk/TyhMYlDs5gI/AAAAAAAAG5A/-dbz0KHqAtI/s1600/120mf.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;It showed a 10 minute frequency the short distance to Fulwood but only evening...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6jy6cjrM5hY/TyhQA7mn3pI/AAAAAAAAG5Y/J0XBJtqJM14/s1600/120su.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6jy6cjrM5hY/TyhQA7mn3pI/AAAAAAAAG5Y/J0XBJtqJM14/s1600/120su.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... and Sunday journeys to Sheffield Centre and beyond.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This fbb diagram shows the usual pattern of service shared between First and Stagecoach.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RHYijPnGwlE/Tyxk0f8NtII/AAAAAAAAG9A/hggjIvHGQIw/s1600/120diag.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RHYijPnGwlE/Tyxk0f8NtII/AAAAAAAAG9A/hggjIvHGQIw/s1600/120diag.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Fulwood is about three quarters of a mile towards the city from the terminus.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Cusx7A-m_kA/TyhNqM8QBvI/AAAAAAAAG5I/EaUqXDTAt44/s1600/120map.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Cusx7A-m_kA/TyhNqM8QBvI/AAAAAAAAG5I/EaUqXDTAt44/s1600/120map.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;So, apparently, according Travel South Yorkshire [TSY], there wasn't much of a useful service on Monday to Saturday daytimes; unless, of course, you wanted to get to and from the flesh-pots of Fulwood. Not to put too fine a point on it, the information was &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;completely, totally, utterly and ridiculously wrong in every possible way&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;. And that's putting it mildly!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;There were very few complaints (if any) as most Sheffielders have long since learned to treat anything emanating from TSY Towers with "polite suspicion", preferring to ask a local yokel, "Ey oop lad, wenz next boos t t stooers?" [see note 2]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;But chum John complained with vehemence. John used to work for TSY in the timetable department, so he should know. Apologies were duly dispatched over the ether and a replacement panel was posted. It was still wrong, but much less wrong than the one shown above.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;But within a few weeks, in early September 2011, the &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;nearly right timetable&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; was taken down and ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6DJV611-oKI/TyhP4dmJKWI/AAAAAAAAG5Q/Rku8G85lMI4/s1600/120mf.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6DJV611-oKI/TyhP4dmJKWI/AAAAAAAAG5Q/Rku8G85lMI4/s1600/120mf.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;... another copy of the &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;wrong random rubbish&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; was published.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;Again, after a week or so and another protest from John, this &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;wrong timetable&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; was taken down and replaced with the "&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;more nearly right&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;" version.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;And all remained well until last weekend, specifically 29th January. The 120 timetable has changed again. Not much, just by a few minutes here and there; City to Barncliffe Road journeys still every 8 mins Monday to Friday daytime, every 10 mins Saturday and Sunday daytime and every 15 mins later in the evening.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;So guess what appeared at Barncliffe Road this time?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_7OzI1Cstok/TywylcZOGjI/AAAAAAAAG8Y/Mq__LECvNdU/s1600/120mf.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_7OzI1Cstok/TywylcZOGjI/AAAAAAAAG8Y/Mq__LECvNdU/s1600/120mf.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;You guessed it; the&amp;nbsp; &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;completely, totally, utterly and ridiculously wrong in every possible way&amp;nbsp;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;version. Sadly, fbb has not been sent the &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;actual&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; current version; but John reports that it differs only in minor detail from the drivel previously delivered to the worthy but deceived residents of Upper Fulwood.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;fbb &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;thought &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;the problem was with TSY's very expensive software system. It's officially called "Data Adjustment For Timetables" but is better known by its four letter acronym.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;But here fbb owes TSY a profound apology. These panels are &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;actually&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; produced as part of a much more interesting project called "Timetable Writers' Extremely Reasonably Priced System".&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;Simeon Apethorpe of SYPTE, Professor Guy Grillo from Sheffield University Anthropology Department and Jim Pansy, head keeper at Chester Zoo, have been working to use &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;monkeys&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; to produce timetable material for Sheffield. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Monkeys?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8rwGmH7peNI/Tyw1SNqL5zI/AAAAAAAAG8g/4YkH_17jp_c/s1600/monkey.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8rwGmH7peNI/Tyw1SNqL5zI/AAAAAAAAG8g/4YkH_17jp_c/s1600/monkey.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;It has been said that if you gave a typewriter (that's what people used before confusers became "de rigueur") to each of a large enough flock of monkeys and left them for a long enough period of time (approaching infinity), they would eventually type the complete works of Shakespeare.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;TSY reckons that a timetable for service 120 is easier for our simean cousins than the outpourings of Bill the Bard. So, given time, cheap timetable production could be arranged. For just a few bags of peanuts and a little patience, costs could be dramatically reduced.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;But, as we see above, it ain't working yet.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Still, give the project time. Strengthen the focus group. Prepare a contingency plan. Employ a couple more managers. Refer any problems to the monitoring committee and maybe one day ...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;... they'll get it right!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TOFp6om8VCk/TyxZ9Dptg2I/AAAAAAAAG84/h2N2KLqa2lM/s1600/bigbrother.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="119" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TOFp6om8VCk/TyxZ9Dptg2I/AAAAAAAAG84/h2N2KLqa2lM/s320/bigbrother.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: #0c343d;"&gt;Blog Brother is watching you - very carefully&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;--------------------------------------------------------------&lt;/div&gt;Note [1] : &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Lemniscate &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;: is the usual term for the "eight-on-its-side" symbol that means "infinity". It comes from a Latin word meaning "with ribbons".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-A2xU5Gz0Aew/Tyw7uQF-vYI/AAAAAAAAG8o/ghCM0D4IOcA/s1600/infinity.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-A2xU5Gz0Aew/Tyw7uQF-vYI/AAAAAAAAG8o/ghCM0D4IOcA/s1600/infinity.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Note [2] : "Ey oop lad, wenz nex boos t t stooers?" translates very roughly as:-&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Excuse me kind sir,&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;can you inform me of the departure time&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;of the next available omnibus&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;to convey me to the&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Co-operative shopping facilities?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;--------------------------------------------------------------&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #9fc5e8;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #d0e0e3;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: #073763;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Next Blog : due Sunday February 5th&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 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text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ZgMpoa7Y6B4/TyqxblFnv4I/AAAAAAAAG6Q/ZB9rP0S9dLg/s1600/bustoferry.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ZgMpoa7Y6B4/TyqxblFnv4I/AAAAAAAAG6Q/ZB9rP0S9dLg/s1600/bustoferry.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;A Wee Hurl to West Hayling [3] (&lt;a href="http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/01/wee-hurl-to-west-hayling-3.html" target=" _blank"&gt;read again&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;fbb commented that Langstone Bridge (the railway version) was hardly ever opened, if at all. But deep in the bowels of the interwebnet is this splendid shot of the bridge open and a tall masted vessel passing through.&amp;nbsp;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Su-wiomEky0/Tyq4IhGrJLI/AAAAAAAAG6Y/rmrVRB4KKzo/s1600/railowayswing.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="197" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Su-wiomEky0/Tyq4IhGrJLI/AAAAAAAAG6Y/rmrVRB4KKzo/s320/railowayswing.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;A Wee Hurl to West Hayling [4] (&lt;a href="http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/wee-hurl-to-west-hayling-4.html" target="_blank"&gt;read again&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;A comment writer remembered his childhood holiday and being required to get off the bus and walk, reboarding at the other side. A serendipitous visit (on Wednesday 1st Feb, no less!) to a friend here on the Island elicited a gander at a very old video, entitled "Southdown Buses in the 50s" which had some fuzzy clips of the crossing.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;First,the warning notice in the bus.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;...&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yYD8g8kqZAA/Tyrql5GGUaI/AAAAAAAAG8I/QbhroiHXiA8/s1600/notice.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="232" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yYD8g8kqZAA/Tyrql5GGUaI/AAAAAAAAG8I/QbhroiHXiA8/s320/notice.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;Then, just a glipmse of the alpha males of the mid 50s alighting and setting off following the bus across the "weak bridge" ...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oPHW0XnpcgM/TyrpxlatziI/AAAAAAAAG7w/jGBGQrAtNRc/s1600/mencrossing.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="196" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oPHW0XnpcgM/TyrpxlatziI/AAAAAAAAG7w/jGBGQrAtNRc/s320/mencrossing.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;... a pointless exercise as passengers and bus crossed together, so the weight was unchanged in total! The bus is showing service 47, Hayling via Manor Road, the equivalent of fbb's trip from Havant as far as Beachlands. Note the as yet unopened new bridge in the background. Even the "official" re-boarding point was "officially" labelled!&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EQ18VbNEz8s/Tyrp_9_W2sI/AAAAAAAAG74/pY4Qb9cwrHM/s1600/boardingsign.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EQ18VbNEz8s/Tyrp_9_W2sI/AAAAAAAAG74/pY4Qb9cwrHM/s1600/boardingsign.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;And another well-buried interwebnet picture takes us back to the very early days of the bridge in the 1920s with a shot of the very first toll gate.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BhU6rNj0K00/Tyq9SiAI8eI/AAAAAAAAG7A/FMCoQ0wl44o/s1600/tollhouse1920.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="220" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BhU6rNj0K00/Tyq9SiAI8eI/AAAAAAAAG7A/FMCoQ0wl44o/s320/tollhouse1920.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;A memory of less busy times when motoring was a pleasure and the prerogative of the more wealthy citizenry!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qMz7OrDUlx8/TyrqZNlR4xI/AAAAAAAAG8A/uHGziwudZ_E/s1600/bridgesign.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="225" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qMz7OrDUlx8/TyrqZNlR4xI/AAAAAAAAG8A/uHGziwudZ_E/s320/bridgesign.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;And a reminder of the weakness of the weak bridge, especially in its latter days. fbb is not an engineer, but rather thinks that these timbers should be fixed to something and the whole gubbins should be upright!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ehNSQu-4jSc/Tyq-QvTYLCI/AAAAAAAAG7I/SQ6psdY6vEc/s1600/bridgetimbers.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ehNSQu-4jSc/Tyq-QvTYLCI/AAAAAAAAG7I/SQ6psdY6vEc/s320/bridgetimbers.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;And finally, a very rare shot indeed showing the bridge open for a passing steamer!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KQ5m5opm9N0/Tyq-9ASvwRI/AAAAAAAAG7Q/sv8dODW8yAg/s1600/opening.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="268" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KQ5m5opm9N0/Tyq-9ASvwRI/AAAAAAAAG7Q/sv8dODW8yAg/s320/opening.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;The caption "on-line" suggests that this is the railway bridge but notes "the signalbox has gone", which it hadn't. So fbb is pretty sure it's the road bridge; note the more pedestrian protective posts and railings compared with the open rail bridge above. Unless anyone "out there" knows better?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;A Wee Hurl to West Hayling [5] (&lt;a href="http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/wee-hurl-to-west-hayling-5.html" target="_blank"&gt;read again&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;Early visitors to Hayling Island?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-c1HsE0MsYIk/TysDchFwn5I/AAAAAAAAG8Q/JFG2RiQ9JKw/s1600/oldwadeway.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="311" sda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-c1HsE0MsYIk/TysDchFwn5I/AAAAAAAAG8Q/JFG2RiQ9JKw/s320/oldwadeway.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;A very early map extract. Langston is spelt without its "e", just like the branch line station. The wadeway is the only link; no road bridge, no railway. This map dates from the early 1800s.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;Was the wadeway roman or mediaeval? Half a mile of so south of the end of the causeway is a field where a bit of good archaeology lies buried. It is the remains of a roman shrine, seen here re-imagined.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-h4fy-cvKTQA/TyrDhDrxnLI/AAAAAAAAG7Y/f9APMQtKyVA/s1600/temple2.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-h4fy-cvKTQA/TyrDhDrxnLI/AAAAAAAAG7Y/f9APMQtKyVA/s1600/temple2.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;Here are the excavations in the 70s.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NLOqrJ4RcS0/TyrDwVlZRYI/AAAAAAAAG7g/ykWw-_GpIbc/s1600/temple77.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="207" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NLOqrJ4RcS0/TyrDwVlZRYI/AAAAAAAAG7g/ykWw-_GpIbc/s320/temple77.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;But buried below the temple there are signs of an earlier pre-roman ancient British shrine. The site is at North Hayling and a couple of miles further south, hidden in the trees, is Tourner Bury, an iron age fort.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6b8T7Qf1ybk/TyrEdGCgyDI/AAAAAAAAG7o/PR4Z-rZI_7U/s1600/fort.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="227" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6b8T7Qf1ybk/TyrEdGCgyDI/AAAAAAAAG7o/PR4Z-rZI_7U/s320/fort.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;It was Hastings that once sold itself as "Famous with visitors since 1066". Hayling can beat that by well over 1000 years.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #9fc5e8;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #d0e0e3;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: #073763;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Next Blog : due Saturday Febuary 4th&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7432323264902617108-2492210848372375962?l=publictransportexperience.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/feeds/2492210848372375962/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/wee-hurl-to-west-hayling-postcript.html#comment-form' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/2492210848372375962'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/2492210848372375962'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/wee-hurl-to-west-hayling-postcript.html' title='A Wee Hurl to West Hayling - a Postcript'/><author><name>fatbusbloke</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='26' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Zpc3ZPT1bAg/TL2ujD2R6PI/AAAAAAAAAYg/gZfFdSHx8To/S220/Pict0014.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ZgMpoa7Y6B4/TyqxblFnv4I/AAAAAAAAG6Q/ZB9rP0S9dLg/s72-c/bustoferry.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-7566523666749563633</id><published>2012-02-02T07:22:00.011Z</published><updated>2012-02-02T08:55:31.009Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='transport nostalgia'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='South Central'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Stagecoach'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='timetables'/><title type='text'>A Wee Hurl to West Hayling [5]</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Blogger (or more likely, fbb) seemed to get in a mess yesterday. An amendment to "A Wee Hurl to West Hayling [4]" had vanished into the ether by evening. It was a photo of a preserved Dennis Falcon that was lighweight enough to cross the original Langstone Bridge. Those who missed the little bit of omnibological nostaligia may wish to return to yesterday's blog (&lt;a href="http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/wee-hurl-to-west-hayling-4.html" target="_blank&amp;quot;"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;---------------------------------------------------------&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Back to today's offering ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Beachlands and Back.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;The Beachlands area of Hayling Island seafront has been a tourist destination for many years. Originally a holiday spot for the well off who wished to enjoy the medicinal benefits of sea water and fresh air. Beachlands even boasted a seawater bathhouse during the 1820s, constructed shortly after the island was made more accessible by the opening of the new bridge.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xmCAKELPoV0/TyluoeNazpI/AAAAAAAAG54/jhsz72rzxXQ/s1600/roadbridgeold.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="209" sda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xmCAKELPoV0/TyluoeNazpI/AAAAAAAAG54/jhsz72rzxXQ/s320/roadbridgeold.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span id="goog_2032956634"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;Hayling Island was discovered by the masses in the 1930's, when the popularity of the motor car made travelling here more convenient. As the Island grew in popularity as a holiday destination, the attractions of safe sandy beaches and good sunshine records were joined by frequent traveling country fairs held at Beachlands. When the site was bought by Billy Butlin in 1924, these traveling fairs started to become permanent attractions and the forerunner to the modern fairground that sits on the same site today.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--C-OPOocoHc/TyLJo8ErNgI/AAAAAAAAGxE/COdAG7REuYU/s1600/butlins.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--C-OPOocoHc/TyLJo8ErNgI/AAAAAAAAGxE/COdAG7REuYU/s1600/butlins.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;One of the biggest attractions of this early fairground was Monkey Island.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_uT-STbi2j0/TylvEdCogBI/AAAAAAAAG6A/jxU5fgw039E/s1600/monkeys2.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_uT-STbi2j0/TylvEdCogBI/AAAAAAAAG6A/jxU5fgw039E/s1600/monkeys2.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;Set amid a small boating lake, this sland was a rocky outcrop inhabited by live monkeys.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Buses have always had their own little pull-in adjacent to the main entrance.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-RRjkHSaHM04/TyLLKEuGvUI/AAAAAAAAGxU/VL5-AyZgTo0/s1600/beachlandsbus.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="193" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-RRjkHSaHM04/TyLLKEuGvUI/AAAAAAAAGxU/VL5-AyZgTo0/s320/beachlandsbus.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;In some ways, not a lot has changed in 2012.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7EHhAYZaGX4/TyLLrG3229I/AAAAAAAAGxc/mfGt9i37VSA/s1600/beachlands.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="219" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7EHhAYZaGX4/TyLLrG3229I/AAAAAAAAGxc/mfGt9i37VSA/s320/beachlands.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;As well as being a place of fun, Beachlands has also served a more serious role. Taken over by the Royal Navy in 1939, Beachlands served as a barracks for the armed forces for the duration of WWII.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In addition to fairground-type entertainment (?), Beachlands is one terminus of the recently reborn Hayling Island narrow gauge railway which was in operation (but lightly loaded!!) on the day of fbb's January visit.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1RkBe6IEI08/TyLKcGs_sBI/AAAAAAAAGxM/uBoa5BZSrYQ/s1600/haylingrailway.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="242" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1RkBe6IEI08/TyLKcGs_sBI/AAAAAAAAGxM/uBoa5BZSrYQ/s320/haylingrailway.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Anyway; onwards and upwards on our service 30.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-hkkTSOzUMN8/TyLNkPgvDuI/AAAAAAAAGx0/rHTnSkMHMHs/s1600/westmap.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-hkkTSOzUMN8/TyLNkPgvDuI/AAAAAAAAGx0/rHTnSkMHMHs/s1600/westmap.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;From Beachlands, just off the map, bottom left, we are off&amp;nbsp;via Eastoke to&amp;nbsp;Sandy Point, the south eastern extremity of the Island ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mwZTFlFL5j0/TyLMmezDakI/AAAAAAAAGxk/SaKkg_-gYME/s1600/Sandypoint.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="223" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mwZTFlFL5j0/TyLMmezDakI/AAAAAAAAGxk/SaKkg_-gYME/s320/Sandypoint.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... where the bus doubles back to Eastoke and on to Mengham.&amp;nbsp;Here the "time point" was, for countless generations (?) named after a very ancient pub, called "The Rose in June" ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KPFmOOuFxTI/TyVA6-16XrI/AAAAAAAAG1o/ec3yxQHOhC8/s1600/roseinjune1885.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" gda="true" height="215" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KPFmOOuFxTI/TyVA6-16XrI/AAAAAAAAG1o/ec3yxQHOhC8/s320/roseinjune1885.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... rebuilt in Victoria times and now boarded up and closed down.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZsEBSqS2B6A/TyVBE6xEr_I/AAAAAAAAG1w/6aYYmAnnQkU/s1600/roseinjune.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" gda="true" height="250" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZsEBSqS2B6A/TyVBE6xEr_I/AAAAAAAAG1w/6aYYmAnnQkU/s320/roseinjune.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;On Elm Grove, the nearest that Hayling Island comes to having a shopping centre, we pass the former Southdown depot ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nyio7de48ho/TyVBNartzOI/AAAAAAAAG14/RA1DziTDtnc/s1600/haylingdepot.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" gda="true" height="245" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nyio7de48ho/TyVBNartzOI/AAAAAAAAG14/RA1DziTDtnc/s320/haylingdepot.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... now "recycled" as a shop and garden centre, and return via Langstone Bridge to Havant bus station.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_WNsrkh9Z70/TyVBVsPPZnI/AAAAAAAAG2A/tLSxJD26jwY/s1600/bridgeback.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" gda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_WNsrkh9Z70/TyVBVsPPZnI/AAAAAAAAG2A/tLSxJD26jwY/s1600/bridgeback.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;And, when they get it right, the vehicles are branded "The Bridge" ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-P20Kt9Ydonc/TyVBrTSr-jI/AAAAAAAAG2I/lYOZqcRTnRE/s1600/bridgebrand.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" gda="true" height="188" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-P20Kt9Ydonc/TyVBrTSr-jI/AAAAAAAAG2I/lYOZqcRTnRE/s320/bridgebrand.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... and when they don't get it right, "The Bridge" runs all the way to Cosham on service 23 as seen here at "The Compound" in the snow. Such is both the joy and the jeopardy of labelling your vehicles for a specific route.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OxUJqtvu2Rk/TyVB2yV35rI/AAAAAAAAG2Q/3N6hOT8DWu0/s1600/bridgecosham.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" gda="true" height="237" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OxUJqtvu2Rk/TyVB2yV35rI/AAAAAAAAG2Q/3N6hOT8DWu0/s320/bridgecosham.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span id="goog_1992597788"&gt;And, as is the way with modern marketing, every brand needs a rebrand to keep the graphics designers in gainful employment. Does any one know whether all this "stuff" actua&lt;/span&gt;lly gets more bums on seats?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-yltEW2oDcto/TyVdkuVNYgI/AAAAAAAAG2g/0GjaK8vPK1A/s1600/bridgelogo.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" gda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-yltEW2oDcto/TyVdkuVNYgI/AAAAAAAAG2g/0GjaK8vPK1A/s1600/bridgelogo.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Does a better bolder bluer "Bridge" badge beckon bonus bods onto the bus?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A few more eclectic "observations" on Hayling Island will follow soon.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #9fc5e8;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #d0e0e3;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: #073763;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Next Blog : due Friday Febuary 3rd&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7432323264902617108-7566523666749563633?l=publictransportexperience.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/feeds/7566523666749563633/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/01/wee-hirl-to-west-hayling-5.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/7566523666749563633'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/7566523666749563633'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/01/wee-hirl-to-west-hayling-5.html' title='A Wee Hurl to West Hayling [5]'/><author><name>fatbusbloke</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='26' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Zpc3ZPT1bAg/TL2ujD2R6PI/AAAAAAAAAYg/gZfFdSHx8To/S220/Pict0014.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xmCAKELPoV0/TyluoeNazpI/AAAAAAAAG54/jhsz72rzxXQ/s72-c/roadbridgeold.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-3509263024775474947</id><published>2012-02-01T16:54:00.003Z</published><updated>2012-02-01T22:15:42.881Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='transport nostalgia'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='South Central'/><title type='text'>A Wee Hurl to West Hayling [4]</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Until 1824, the only link to the northern part of Hayling Island was by boat or by the so-called "Wadeway", a track accessibly only at low tide.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0XBLDITLGJA/TyLA83OLZuI/AAAAAAAAGv8/UZMS12MGDtA/s1600/wadeway.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0XBLDITLGJA/TyLA83OLZuI/AAAAAAAAGv8/UZMS12MGDtA/s1600/wadeway.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Debate is heated about the age of the wadeway, but it is most likely to be mediaeval. Recent excavation has shown that the clever causeway constructors created wider sections where horse drawn vehicles could pass or overtake. Probably without appropriate signage, though!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5VIO3Nijw6k/TyPdP13GlqI/AAAAAAAAGzM/d0R5arRiv8s/s1600/passingplace.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5VIO3Nijw6k/TyPdP13GlqI/AAAAAAAAGzM/d0R5arRiv8s/s1600/passingplace.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Intriguingly it is now shown on modern OS maps as a bridle path (dashed red line) ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KPLviUB0rtU/TyLBbOfoPbI/AAAAAAAAGwE/T8r1ArEH4TU/s1600/wadewaymap.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="242" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KPLviUB0rtU/TyLBbOfoPbI/AAAAAAAAGwE/T8r1ArEH4TU/s320/wadewaymap.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... despite the fact that the route is dangerous and almost impassable, unless you fancy a swim!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;The Wadeway is a raised trackway which was used at low tide to cross from Langstone Village to Hayling Island. It was once the most important route for people to get to the island before the bridge was built. Much of the Wadeway is still visible today at low tide. It is now known that it is Medieval in date, probably being built in the mid 14th century. The Wadeway runs in a roughly north to south direction. It is now divided into three different segments after being severed by dredging for the abortive Chichester to London Canal project in the early 1820s.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Island led a very quiet existence until the mid 1930s, when the first stirrings emerged and it became popular as a seaside resort, with a holiday camp. However, it suffered from a weak road bridge and Southdown purchased two Dennis half-cab Falcons in 1939 ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-l7cfLAzVAgA/Tym4VM97hmI/AAAAAAAAG6I/OYEsv2P7hSo/s1600/falcon.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-l7cfLAzVAgA/Tym4VM97hmI/AAAAAAAAG6I/OYEsv2P7hSo/s1600/falcon.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;former Southdown Falcon No 81, as used on Hayling&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;... running to and from the island.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PsCdOSM4Xx4/TyUFVRyRJdI/AAAAAAAAG1Q/X-4IDmieCgU/s1600/oldbridge.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PsCdOSM4Xx4/TyUFVRyRJdI/AAAAAAAAG1Q/X-4IDmieCgU/s1600/oldbridge.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;The wooden bridge was built on piles of African Oak and other timbers and had a 40ft swing section in the centre to allow for vessels to pass beneath. The 1824 bridge was described, in its time, as “One of the finest structure of the kind in the Kingdom”.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;However, although the buses themselves were light enough to traverse the bridge, they were only allowed to do so if the vehicle was empty, thus, passengers had to alight and proceed across the bridge on foot, re-joining the bus the other side!&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qP7BKIiS86k/TyK-x2-RxFI/AAAAAAAAGvk/cFgUoEgwJbg/s1600/obbus.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="213" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qP7BKIiS86k/TyK-x2-RxFI/AAAAAAAAGvk/cFgUoEgwJbg/s400/obbus.jpg" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;They performed this task alone, until the two Bedfords were bought in 1948 with standard 27-seat Duple coach bodies and numbered 70 and 71 (JCD 370 and 371). Like the Dennis Falcons, they were acquired for the Hayling Island services because they were lightweight vehicles. However, being coaches, unlike the Falcons, their duties also included regular runs to London.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Depending on the type of vehicle used, only some of the passengers had to walk; it is not recorded how the "judgment of Solomon" was delivered and therefore whom was chosen. At one stage a specially "stripped down" bus provided a cross-bridge shuttle.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A new bridge, without restriction, was opened in 1956.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0gMiolN7pTU/TyLAcyvDUAI/AAAAAAAAGv0/JaBcqQ_Nj30/s1600/newbridge.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="252" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0gMiolN7pTU/TyLAcyvDUAI/AAAAAAAAGv0/JaBcqQ_Nj30/s320/newbridge.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Back in the good old Southdown days, buses ran though from Portsmouth all the way round to Hayling ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-X-kzknByXgg/TyQMjF-IWnI/AAAAAAAAGz0/sZ5-29cUCEg/s1600/147bus.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-X-kzknByXgg/TyQMjF-IWnI/AAAAAAAAGz0/sZ5-29cUCEg/s1600/147bus.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... but fbb's recent trip was on today's Stagecoach service 30 ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1-pnzB5em68/TyQekSwZsgI/AAAAAAAAG0E/aVoChAqpPY8/s1600/blind.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1-pnzB5em68/TyQekSwZsgI/AAAAAAAAG0E/aVoChAqpPY8/s1600/blind.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... starting at Havant bus station.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-EObFcRTwZ64/TyLDma7T_JI/AAAAAAAAGwU/pV32wyz0iHU/s1600/havantbusstn.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="264" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-EObFcRTwZ64/TyLDma7T_JI/AAAAAAAAGwU/pV32wyz0iHU/s320/havantbusstn.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;The route proceeds over the bridge, via assorted Holiday Camps at Mill Rythe and Manor Road Newtown (the latter seen from above, here) ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-AdZD11TGVVI/TyLG6iuf6FI/AAAAAAAAGw0/N9bYPiQq6-o/s1600/manorroad.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-AdZD11TGVVI/TyLG6iuf6FI/AAAAAAAAGw0/N9bYPiQq6-o/s1600/manorroad.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... then via the site of the former railway station where the goodshed is nowa theatre ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HoJ6oYVyptY/Tyhapz1ROhI/AAAAAAAAG5g/X9zjeyH2HMg/s1600/theatre.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sda="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HoJ6oYVyptY/Tyhapz1ROhI/AAAAAAAAG5g/X9zjeyH2HMg/s1600/theatre.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... before arriving at the rather tired looking Beachlands amusement park.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-h4DNqkZYMRQ/TyLFHZEvF6I/AAAAAAAAGwk/9v2KOWYy1so/s1600/beachlands.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="219" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-h4DNqkZYMRQ/TyLFHZEvF6I/AAAAAAAAGwk/9v2KOWYy1so/s320/beachlands.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Beachlands in 1955 looked in somewhat better condition.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-pF4C5nMqvPk/TyLFhBvAOlI/AAAAAAAAGws/DbNTG5ItxPg/s1600/beachlands55.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="278" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-pF4C5nMqvPk/TyLFhBvAOlI/AAAAAAAAGws/DbNTG5ItxPg/s320/beachlands55.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;The route is a large circular (more accurately a "lollipop"), so the bus now continues to Sandy Point at the eastern end of Hayling Island and we will complete our journey tomorrow. Meanwhile, here is the route travelled so far at Hayling Island proper.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0yfbFCJRCxc/TyLHjBaWxMI/AAAAAAAAGw8/Zc-oloCMCgA/s1600/map30west.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0yfbFCJRCxc/TyLHjBaWxMI/AAAAAAAAGw8/Zc-oloCMCgA/s1600/map30west.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The railway station was, surprisingly, on Station Road; a little to the left of "West Town" on the map above. For fbb's blogs on the Hayling Island branch line, see "A Wee Hurl to West Hayling [2]" (&lt;a href="http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/01/wee-hurl-to-west-hayling-2.html" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;) and&amp;nbsp; "A Wee Hurl to West Hayling [3]" (&lt;a href="http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/01/wee-hurl-to-west-hayling-3.html" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;span style="background-color: #9fc5e8;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #d0e0e3;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: #073763;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #9fc5e8;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #d0e0e3;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: #073763;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Next Blog : due Thursday February 2nd&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7432323264902617108-3509263024775474947?l=publictransportexperience.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/feeds/3509263024775474947/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/wee-hurl-to-west-hayling-4.html#comment-form' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/3509263024775474947'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/3509263024775474947'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/02/wee-hurl-to-west-hayling-4.html' title='A Wee Hurl to West Hayling [4]'/><author><name>fatbusbloke</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='26' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Zpc3ZPT1bAg/TL2ujD2R6PI/AAAAAAAAAYg/gZfFdSHx8To/S220/Pict0014.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0XBLDITLGJA/TyLA83OLZuI/AAAAAAAAGv8/UZMS12MGDtA/s72-c/wadeway.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-7588388090254192592</id><published>2012-01-31T00:55:00.001Z</published><updated>2012-01-31T11:23:10.856Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='transport nostalgia'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='East Midlands'/><title type='text'>Let us Now Praise Famous Buses!</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;with thanks to the 123 preservation group : web site (&lt;a href="http://chesterfield123.freehostia.com/" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lPSDew-mpPo/TycdBzphGDI/AAAAAAAAG4o/BEW_6u5g8TE/s1600/123logo.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lPSDew-mpPo/TycdBzphGDI/AAAAAAAAG4o/BEW_6u5g8TE/s1600/123logo.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;In the 1960s, Chesterfield corporation built a splendid new bus depot at Stonegravels. It was huge.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9DM6aYlDKxk/Tyb0YWsWLoI/AAAAAAAAG4Q/JQodB-Yb9uc/s1600/stonegravels2.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" gda="true" height="246" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9DM6aYlDKxk/Tyb0YWsWLoI/AAAAAAAAG4Q/JQodB-Yb9uc/s320/stonegravels2.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;A youthful fbb was privileged to join the Sheffield branch of the Institute of Transport for an official visit. All the fleet could be parked undercover with space to spare. The facilities for staff were magnificent and even included a bar, which could be used on days off and &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;after&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; a turn of duty!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;One "wag" on the tour asked if the Corporation had designs on taking over the East Midland bus company. "No comment" was the politically sensitive reply; although, at the time, there were no such plans. But thirty years later that takeover went the other way. Stagecoach bought "Spire", privatised successors to Chesterfield Corporation.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-owO6_S42gwU/Tyb0jooiWwI/AAAAAAAAG4Y/7jedGcln564/s1600/stoneggravels2.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" gda="true" height="294" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-owO6_S42gwU/Tyb0jooiWwI/AAAAAAAAG4Y/7jedGcln564/s320/stoneggravels2.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;It was in these premises that a remarkable piece of bus rebuilding took place.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-v3i4B5KgAGY/Tya8qeh4y1I/AAAAAAAAG34/pF9JmvtvjnU/s1600/123dron.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" gda="true" height="238" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-v3i4B5KgAGY/Tya8qeh4y1I/AAAAAAAAG34/pF9JmvtvjnU/s320/123dron.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Vehicle Withdrawn - 123&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;1973 Daimler Fleetline (NNU 123M)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;11th September, 1981.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This premature withdrawal was the result of the bus sustaining severe fire-damage on 9th September 1981.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;As part of schedule trials involving linking the duties of a bus working one of the new Alfreton School contract services and route 200 Clay Cross to Sheffield Limited Stop, this bus operated Service 366 (Stonebroom School - Mortimer Wilson School, Alfreton). It then worked light to Clay Cross to operate the 0910 service 200 journey.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-a3e089m-rqQ/TybXcMPnmkI/AAAAAAAAG4A/3ci1PkTs0_Q/s1600/200tt.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" gda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-a3e089m-rqQ/TybXcMPnmkI/AAAAAAAAG4A/3ci1PkTs0_Q/s1600/200tt.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;At 0950, whilst en route to Sheffield, the bus halted at Low Edges ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zGJDq72kjiA/TyavkZGCuwI/AAAAAAAAG24/Fb1iR4JoFGo/s1600/lowedges.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="285" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zGJDq72kjiA/TyavkZGCuwI/AAAAAAAAG24/Fb1iR4JoFGo/s320/lowedges.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... and a bus change was requested by the driver as there was a smell of fumes in the saloon. A replacement bus was brought from the depot and mechanic Malcolm Hartshorn returned to Chesterfield in 123, preferring the old A61 road through Dronfield to the by-pass. However, as the bus passed through the centre of Dronfield smoke and fumes suddenly poured from the lower saloon. Mr. Hartshorn drove on through the narrow main road until he reached a lay-by on Chesterfield Road, Dronfield.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7YyLfF-jnYo/Tya6cfovzjI/AAAAAAAAG3A/tI-Gs956rZI/s1600/layby.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" gda="true" height="294" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7YyLfF-jnYo/Tya6cfovzjI/AAAAAAAAG3A/tI-Gs956rZI/s320/layby.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;Flames spread rapidly from the rear of the lower saloon and despite a speedy appearance by the Dronfield Fire Service, the bus was gutted.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FWaLKoirxZ0/Tya6jfbKuqI/AAAAAAAAG3I/rV91ggNJ-7Q/s1600/123fire.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" gda="true" height="259" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FWaLKoirxZ0/Tya6jfbKuqI/AAAAAAAAG3I/rV91ggNJ-7Q/s320/123fire.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;After being returned to the depot, the shell of 123 was examined by fire, police and forensic scientists. These investigations continued until the end of the following day.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Vehicle Reinstated - 123&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;1973 Daimler Fleetline (NNU 123M)&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;15th July, 1983&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;A complete rebuilding of its bodywork was undertaken in the Sonegravels depot.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OlyyzuuKY9c/Tyb1uyws27I/AAAAAAAAG4g/gmxsBoBPBaU/s1600/123rebuild.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" gda="true" height="262" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OlyyzuuKY9c/Tyb1uyws27I/AAAAAAAAG4g/gmxsBoBPBaU/s320/123rebuild.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;From May to July 1983 the final stages of the rebuilding work progressed rapidly, with the overhauling of its engine and finishing of the interior of the bus. It was fitted with power-assisted steering and received several minor modifications compared with the other buses of its batch. A minor external difference being a small vent in the nearside of the front panel beneath the windscreen. This is for the driver's cab heating system.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;The final stages of its return to service were as follows :-&lt;br /&gt;Rebuilding completed - early July, 1983 &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Repainting - 4th to 11th July, 1983 &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Road Testing - 12th July, 1983 &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;M.O.T. Test - 13th July, 1983 &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Re-licensed - 14th July, 1983 &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;In Service - 15th July 1983 &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Its first working on return to service being service 200 at 1420 (Chesterfield to Clay Cross, Limited Stop). Note the changed timetable!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PQs_dfMX9Pc/TybsHc6mgSI/AAAAAAAAG4I/8N99mKzrPfI/s1600/200new.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PQs_dfMX9Pc/TybsHc6mgSI/AAAAAAAAG4I/8N99mKzrPfI/s1600/200new.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;It has also received a small plaque near the stairs in the lower saloon. This reads 'BUS 123 Rebuilt Chesterfield Transport Workshops After Fire Damage July 1983.'&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Finally, the bus was withdrawn on 31st July 1996; last day of service on 29th July 1996. Its last run was the 1758 route 81 from Hillstown to Chesterfield.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GlywMUMlhMA/Tya7SYKDxoI/AAAAAAAAG3g/svCS4ZgVLhg/s1600/123spire.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" gda="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GlywMUMlhMA/Tya7SYKDxoI/AAAAAAAAG3g/svCS4ZgVLhg/s1600/123spire.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;Later "privatised" Spire Livery&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;The celebrity vehicle was purchased by the 123 Group direct from Stagecoach East Midland had who acquired 123 with the business of Chesterfield Transport Ltd.(trading as "Spire") in July 1995.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And this beauty is the repainted, restored and refurbished bus 123.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KoOno8qpo4M/Tya8XrhKCPI/AAAAAAAAG3w/mshJCVmeB7Y/s1600/123done.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" gda="true" height="248" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KoOno8qpo4M/Tya8XrhKCPI/AAAAAAAAG3w/mshJCVmeB7Y/s320/123done.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;Let us now praise famous buses&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;and&amp;nbsp;the builders&amp;nbsp;that begat them.&lt;br /&gt;The&amp;nbsp;roads hath wrought great glory by them&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;through&amp;nbsp;their great power from the beginning.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-color: currentColor; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-width: medium; border-left-color: currentColor; border-left-style: none; border-left-width: medium; border-right-color: currentColor; border-right-style: none; border-right-width: medium; border-top-color: currentColor; border-top-style: none; border-top-width: medium; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;With apologies to the Apocryphal Bible book of Ecclesiasticus : see also "Let us Now Praise Famous Men" (&lt;a href="http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/01/let-us-now-praise-famous-men.html" target="_blank"&gt;read again&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="border-bottom-color: currentColor; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-width: medium; border-left-color: currentColor; border-left-style: none; border-left-width: medium; border-right-color: currentColor; border-right-style: none; border-right-width: medium; border-top-color: currentColor; border-top-style: none; border-top-width: medium; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #9fc5e8;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #d0e0e3;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: #073763;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Next Blog : due Wednesday February 1st&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #9fc5e8;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #d0e0e3;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #9fc5e8;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #d0e0e3;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;tomorrow we return to Hayling Island&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #9fc5e8;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #d0e0e3;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: #073763;"&gt; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7432323264902617108-7588388090254192592?l=publictransportexperience.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/feeds/7588388090254192592/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2011/11/dronfield.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/7588388090254192592'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/7588388090254192592'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2011/11/dronfield.html' title='Let us Now Praise Famous Buses!'/><author><name>fatbusbloke</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='26' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Zpc3ZPT1bAg/TL2ujD2R6PI/AAAAAAAAAYg/gZfFdSHx8To/S220/Pict0014.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lPSDew-mpPo/TycdBzphGDI/AAAAAAAAG4o/BEW_6u5g8TE/s72-c/123logo.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-7878818878279669091</id><published>2012-01-30T07:13:00.000Z</published><updated>2012-01-30T07:13:31.739Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='transport policy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='first bus'/><title type='text'>Getting Liverish about Livery</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;"Liverish"&lt;br /&gt;peevish, bad tempered&lt;br /&gt;(Shorter Oxford English Dictionary)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qRxcrsyW9og/TyO9x5VqyCI/AAAAAAAAGyk/7hjtisEhwik/s1600/logo.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qRxcrsyW9og/TyO9x5VqyCI/AAAAAAAAGyk/7hjtisEhwik/s1600/logo.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;FirstGroup’s UK bus division had launched ‘Better Journeys for Life’, a new brand promise which sets out the group’s aims and plans, which will involve working more closely with all stakeholders including customers, staff and external partners. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;One of the first visible signs will be a new ‘refreshed’ livery which is being rolled out on First bus fleet across the UK (excluding London) in the next few weeks. This is the first stage in the company’s fleet modernization programme which gains momentum in 2012/13.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/--rPB4sHEq7c/TyO9_odBB5I/AAAAAAAAGys/EbFia8fi2W0/s1600/first2.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/--rPB4sHEq7c/TyO9_odBB5I/AAAAAAAAGys/EbFia8fi2W0/s1600/first2.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;The new livery will have a standard template, however, there will be flexibility for local teams to customize certain areas of the vehicle’s exterior to prominently show town and city names or route specific identities ; fitting in with the group’s desire to provide local services for local communities.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-SGnbqs0T-zo/TyPFUdutPqI/AAAAAAAAGy0/TZeoqkcjAPk/s1600/first1.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-SGnbqs0T-zo/TyPFUdutPqI/AAAAAAAAGy0/TZeoqkcjAPk/s320/first1.jpg" width="209" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;the bland leading the bland?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;wishy-washy and wejected (thankfully!)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;New vehicles coming into the fleet in 2012/13 will feature not only the new livery but a range of internal changes, including redesigned interiors and leather seats.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The new livery has, it must be said, gone down like the proverbial lead balloon on the blogosphere. Typical are the comments that were attracted by the "Omnibuses" blogs a couple of days ago. (read &lt;a &amp;nbsp;="" href="http://omnibuses.blogspot.com/2012/01/pastel-soft-sell.html" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://omnibuses.blogspot.com/2012/01/colour-me-beautiful.html" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Badgerline based in Bristol was merged with Grampian ex Aberdeen Corporation to form First Bus. The yellow and green badger was distinctive and fresh; it would still look good today, even if the name was (and is) meaningless!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9MUTuMzHvSg/TyPL5IlsZ-I/AAAAAAAAGy8/ELbRqWFxmd8/s1600/badger.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="163" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9MUTuMzHvSg/TyPL5IlsZ-I/AAAAAAAAGy8/ELbRqWFxmd8/s320/badger.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;But the later all-green badger was poor by comparison.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uYZS_eM6msw/TyPd7VsCkDI/AAAAAAAAGzU/Egnzb3AeZ1w/s1600/greenbadger.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="254" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uYZS_eM6msw/TyPd7VsCkDI/AAAAAAAAGzU/Egnzb3AeZ1w/s320/greenbadger.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Harsh economics (and a lack of varnish!) may prevent a return to the care and cleanliness of, say, Southdown in its heyday ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-k8eWBuwEvAs/TyPfxjuy1XI/AAAAAAAAGzc/2gAmtXrCt_4/s1600/southdown.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-k8eWBuwEvAs/TyPfxjuy1XI/AAAAAAAAGzc/2gAmtXrCt_4/s1600/southdown.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... but, surely, a livery should &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;enhance&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; the image of the company and the vehicle and suggest to the customer that &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;quality and reliability&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; are pre-eminent. First vehicles become "tired" in appearance far too quickly and it is largely the lack of colour that creates this impression.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dVnkaHRA7rA/TyWvtcq_KyI/AAAAAAAAG2w/BZI9jctzKvE/s1600/first4.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dVnkaHRA7rA/TyWvtcq_KyI/AAAAAAAAG2w/BZI9jctzKvE/s1600/first4.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span id="goog_1819755113"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;In this respect, at least, the revised, refreshed and roundly ridiculed new offering offers little improvement. Maybe try again, using &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;colour&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CwGfavkZiUY/TyQPy_OQldI/AAAAAAAAGz8/6DMC9hr342Q/s1600/bus.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CwGfavkZiUY/TyQPy_OQldI/AAAAAAAAGz8/6DMC9hr342Q/s1600/bus.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Any colour&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; as long as it isn't white!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Livery"&lt;br /&gt;a distinctive &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;u&gt;colour&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; scheme on a vehicle indicating its owner&lt;br /&gt;(Shorter Oxford English Dictionary)&lt;br /&gt;There's a clue there, somewhere.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ykND3XDBlyo/TyRLhLc-q8I/AAAAAAAAG0g/4u_kS2z4Fwo/s1600/liver.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ykND3XDBlyo/TyRLhLc-q8I/AAAAAAAAG0g/4u_kS2z4Fwo/s1600/liver.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;liver and onions : nicer than First's new liver(y)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #9fc5e8;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #d0e0e3;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: #073763;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Next Blog : due Tuesday January 31st&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7432323264902617108-7878818878279669091?l=publictransportexperience.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/feeds/7878818878279669091/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/01/getting-liverish-about-livery.html#comment-form' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/7878818878279669091'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/7878818878279669091'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/01/getting-liverish-about-livery.html' title='Getting Liverish about Livery'/><author><name>fatbusbloke</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='26' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Zpc3ZPT1bAg/TL2ujD2R6PI/AAAAAAAAAYg/gZfFdSHx8To/S220/Pict0014.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qRxcrsyW9og/TyO9x5VqyCI/AAAAAAAAGyk/7hjtisEhwik/s72-c/logo.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-1004657741041385207</id><published>2012-01-29T00:39:00.005Z</published><updated>2012-01-29T08:51:57.799Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='transport nostalgia'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='South Central'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='National Rail'/><title type='text'>A Wee Hurl to West Hayling [3]</title><content type='html'>A Bit of Bother with the Bridge&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;See also "A Wee Hurl to West Hayling [2]" (&lt;a href="http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/01/wee-hurl-to-west-hayling-2.html" target="_blank"&gt;read again&lt;/a&gt;) &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The London, Brighton and South Coast Railway had intended to save some of the costs of expensive land purchase and build their line to Hayling on an embankment in the tidal mudflats of Langstone (Langston?) Harbour.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ju19oKfrzcA/TyK07hjmcVI/AAAAAAAAGuM/_Wv7COtvRE0/s1600/intended.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ju19oKfrzcA/TyK07hjmcVI/AAAAAAAAGuM/_Wv7COtvRE0/s1600/intended.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The map above shows the proposed and soggy route! But the flow of water washed away the trackbed, so a conventional route by land was eventually constructed. The bridge from Langstone to North Hayling was built of timber and with lightweight use in mind.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-AhdftGhqaco/TyK1sQirKpI/AAAAAAAAGuU/9lPzK__vfMw/s1600/bridgetrain.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="221" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-AhdftGhqaco/TyK1sQirKpI/AAAAAAAAGuU/9lPzK__vfMw/s320/bridgetrain.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;This view looking north also illustrates a further problem. The grandiose plans for a canal via Chichester and Arundel all the way to London eventually collapsed leaving a waterway for ships of up to 100 tons into the centre of Chichester itself. The railway was required to provide an opening span for the proposed traffic.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The box behind the train above controlled this swing span. It was opened rarely, if at all, and required the operator to walk out along the bridge. Only the bases for the timberwork remain today, plus a more substantial chunk of foundation for the swing section.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KKI4HO1GKeU/TyK2vwXNHLI/AAAAAAAAGuc/NCohg13Ro0I/s1600/bridgepiers.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KKI4HO1GKeU/TyK2vwXNHLI/AAAAAAAAGuc/NCohg13Ro0I/s1600/bridgepiers.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;But one lovely "dinosaur" still remains and was clearly visible when fbb journeyed that way earlier in January 2012. The signal post protecting the swing bridge still stands on the southern bank 49 years after the line closed!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DD-NrpD57kM/TyK3MlYDniI/AAAAAAAAGuk/1IrEgwJTg68/s1600/signalpost.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DD-NrpD57kM/TyK3MlYDniI/AAAAAAAAGuk/1IrEgwJTg68/s1600/signalpost.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Southbound trains then arrived at the lavish North Hayling Station ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-MmfcaSUFgKg/TyK4FQwlMVI/AAAAAAAAGu0/eXJ6a1ZwXVI/s1600/nthhayling.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="207" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-MmfcaSUFgKg/TyK4FQwlMVI/AAAAAAAAGu0/eXJ6a1ZwXVI/s320/nthhayling.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... which, as its name suggests, served the community of Stoke. North Hayling is off over fields to the east with no direct link to its eponymous station.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DU5abBDacBU/TyPdB_lnR2I/AAAAAAAAGzE/mIPNjfLGz3c/s1600/nthhaylingmap.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="163" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DU5abBDacBU/TyPdB_lnR2I/AAAAAAAAGzE/mIPNjfLGz3c/s320/nthhaylingmap.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span id="goog_2121111271"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The site is now a car park for those using the former line as a path or cycleway. There is also access to the beach and mudflats for bird-watchers.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-C7KfxEfYTkQ/TyK4ZvTaLOI/AAAAAAAAGu8/S-oWWTQY1KA/s1600/nthhayling2.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-C7KfxEfYTkQ/TyK4ZvTaLOI/AAAAAAAAGu8/S-oWWTQY1KA/s1600/nthhayling2.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The line continued south through open country until the terminus at Hayling was reached.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-faBseA4PCLA/TyK4nwDZtvI/AAAAAAAAGvE/YN6RkkUOoDQ/s1600/oldtrain.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-faBseA4PCLA/TyK4nwDZtvI/AAAAAAAAGvE/YN6RkkUOoDQ/s1600/oldtrain.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;As one might expect from its "shoestring" construction, the station was some way from any potential beach facilities and somewhat further from the main Island appurtenances at Mengham.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;From the very early days, the bridge restricted the line to small tank engines; becoming the preserve of Brighton "Terriers" &amp;nbsp;for most of the line's life. The service was never very frequent as this extract from the 1923 ABC timetable guide indicates. All trains involved a first change at Havant and possibly a further change depending on which London terminus was the required destination..&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-P96HwZV9qTg/TyO0JIinC6I/AAAAAAAAGyc/YCfjVf2GFsQ/s1600/traintt.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="400" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-P96HwZV9qTg/TyO0JIinC6I/AAAAAAAAGyc/YCfjVf2GFsQ/s400/traintt.jpg" width="198" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Nothing remains of the station at Hayling ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vSwU-8VJx0c/TyK5D_9gUcI/AAAAAAAAGvM/eMoLNDHNClo/s1600/stationhouse.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="256" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vSwU-8VJx0c/TyK5D_9gUcI/AAAAAAAAGvM/eMoLNDHNClo/s320/stationhouse.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... or the impressive housing nearby. But the good shed still stands, seen here in use ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-TayJQvWMnos/TyRiCch-wNI/AAAAAAAAG1A/QDgewrlGwwg/s1600/shedinuse.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-TayJQvWMnos/TyRiCch-wNI/AAAAAAAAG1A/QDgewrlGwwg/s1600/shedinuse.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... here being rebuilt ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GjsQDqO1f4g/TyRnrxJwy3I/AAAAAAAAG1I/cJ6Z3S3PVPY/s1600/Pict0140.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="260" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GjsQDqO1f4g/TyRnrxJwy3I/AAAAAAAAG1I/cJ6Z3S3PVPY/s400/Pict0140.JPG" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... and now, much extended, as the HQ of Hayling's thriving Theatre group.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dvze4wgMed4/TyK5bVbYpVI/AAAAAAAAGvU/aZ5zQwCqFGQ/s1600/theatre.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="218" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dvze4wgMed4/TyK5bVbYpVI/AAAAAAAAGvU/aZ5zQwCqFGQ/s400/theatre.jpg" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;It was inevitable that, with the financial pressures on the railways in the 60s, the potential cost of maintaining the bridge, and the inevitable short-termism of the politics of the day, the line would close in 1963. There was an abortive attempt to re-open the branch as a private venture and to this end, a withdrawn Blackpool tram lay forlorn in Havant goods yard for a while.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DkHZkX8IB0c/TyK6GZxw7NI/AAAAAAAAGvc/V8CtY_79HYQ/s1600/tram11.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="236" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DkHZkX8IB0c/TyK6GZxw7NI/AAAAAAAAGvc/V8CtY_79HYQ/s320/tram11.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The project never took off, and former Blackpool Tram No. 11 now resides at the East Anglia Transport Museum at Carlton Colville, near Lowestoft.&lt;a href="http://www.eatm.org.uk/" justify"="" target="_blank&amp;gt;here&amp;lt;/a&amp;gt;).&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;p style=" text-align:=""&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sigh! What might have been ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.eatm.org.uk/" justify"="" target="_blank&amp;gt;here&amp;lt;/a&amp;gt;).&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;p style=" text-align:=""&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;So today, travel to Hayling Island is by bus ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: yellow;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;Hayling blogs will continue later next week&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #9fc5e8;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #d0e0e3;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: #073763;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Next Blog : due Monday January 30th&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7432323264902617108-1004657741041385207?l=publictransportexperience.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/feeds/1004657741041385207/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/01/wee-hurl-to-west-hayling-3.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/1004657741041385207'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/1004657741041385207'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/01/wee-hurl-to-west-hayling-3.html' title='A Wee Hurl to West Hayling [3]'/><author><name>fatbusbloke</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='26' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Zpc3ZPT1bAg/TL2ujD2R6PI/AAAAAAAAAYg/gZfFdSHx8To/S220/Pict0014.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ju19oKfrzcA/TyK07hjmcVI/AAAAAAAAGuM/_Wv7COtvRE0/s72-c/intended.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-8834642517430610507</id><published>2012-01-28T07:19:00.001Z</published><updated>2012-01-28T08:36:06.588Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='transport nostalgia'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='South Central'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='National Rail'/><title type='text'>A Wee Hurl to West Hayling [2]</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The Railway Arrives ...&amp;nbsp;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pYPpZ9s0qW4/TyJtvrlVV5I/AAAAAAAAGss/C1cIUTNIRx0/s1600/railmap.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pYPpZ9s0qW4/TyJtvrlVV5I/AAAAAAAAGss/C1cIUTNIRx0/s1600/railmap.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;The line was opened by the London, Brighton and South Coast Railway (LBSCR) for goods on January 19, 1865, and for passengers on July 16, 1867.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt; The delay was because the inspectors found rotting sleepers on sections of the line and demanded rectification before passengers could be carried.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The line itself was mainly used during the summer months as people from the South Coast would travel down to the beach on Hayling Island. The coaches would often be overflowing during these months; they would be virtually empty, however, during the winter, which would become a problem.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The LBSCR quickly ran into difficulty during the construction of the railway, as they had attempted to save on the cost of buying land on Hayling Island for the line by constructing an embankment on the mud flats in the sheltered waters of Langstone Harbour. This was an ambitious plan, which also involved the construction of wet and dry docks at Sinah Lake.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IN_OHQLG3VE/TyJuKDyRj3I/AAAAAAAAGs0/086tRWVtz68/s1600/sinahdock.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IN_OHQLG3VE/TyJuKDyRj3I/AAAAAAAAGs0/086tRWVtz68/s1600/sinahdock.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;In the end, the line became a simple branch with no appendages.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The "Norfolk Lodge" pub, named after landowner the Duke of Norfolk, way renamed "The Ferryboat Inn" in the 1950s; the proposed docks would have been a development of the inlet to the right of the hostelry.&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ikO4_wro7ME/TyKjYi_h48I/AAAAAAAAGtE/vfISrKt-0Ds/s1600/sign.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="96" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ikO4_wro7ME/TyKjYi_h48I/AAAAAAAAGtE/vfISrKt-0Ds/s320/sign.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;fbb remembers, as a teenager, travelling through Havant on his way to holidays on the Island, and there, in the bay platform, would be this little train ready to depart for Hayling.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Lfb0WpJaD1Y/TyKjTsq4USI/AAAAAAAAGs8/W6Q4T9ZkeK8/s1600/havant.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="222" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Lfb0WpJaD1Y/TyKjTsq4USI/AAAAAAAAGs8/W6Q4T9ZkeK8/s320/havant.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Also there would be a line of clean, shiny green and cream Southdown buses. The young lad knew he was on holiday then!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The branch train would leave the platform and immediately negotiate New Lane level crossing ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MHX24lXE2NE/TyKkf3eVSrI/AAAAAAAAGtM/VrmAxDLv1lI/s1600/crossingtrain.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="278" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MHX24lXE2NE/TyKkf3eVSrI/AAAAAAAAGtM/VrmAxDLv1lI/s320/crossingtrain.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... where today the entrance to the rail replacement footpath is guarded by crossing gates now fixed in a semi-open position.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-WwX8cOquxh8/TyKkyeV5soI/AAAAAAAAGtU/x00e5hAl6iU/s1600/faifieldrd.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="276" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-WwX8cOquxh8/TyKkyeV5soI/AAAAAAAAGtU/x00e5hAl6iU/s320/faifieldrd.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;The line and the path run under East Street ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-z6Jr_IXaU94/TyKk93Ru_7I/AAAAAAAAGtc/UjWuSGkvIog/s1600/eaststbridge.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="313" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-z6Jr_IXaU94/TyKk93Ru_7I/AAAAAAAAGtc/UjWuSGkvIog/s320/eaststbridge.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... where are rather poor quality video clip captures a branch train.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lEJzW81v39c/TyMgoeUvvCI/AAAAAAAAGyE/PqXf-vofoZI/s1600/eaststbridge2.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="207" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lEJzW81v39c/TyMgoeUvvCI/AAAAAAAAGyE/PqXf-vofoZI/s320/eaststbridge2.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;The line then curves round towards the first stop at Langston, ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-a_C6c1MTBHo/TyKn3oobKQI/AAAAAAAAGuE/cx7-Kh5Hr5c/s1600/langmap30.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-a_C6c1MTBHo/TyKn3oobKQI/AAAAAAAAGuE/cx7-Kh5Hr5c/s1600/langmap30.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... the station omitting the terminal "e" of the little village it served.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-S0WrIrDQ9lc/TyKlXVmC35I/AAAAAAAAGtk/NsPDdwKKijQ/s1600/langstonstation.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-S0WrIrDQ9lc/TyKlXVmC35I/AAAAAAAAGtk/NsPDdwKKijQ/s320/langstonstation.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;The present-day footpath and cycleway ends at the main road (to restart south of the Langstone Bridge); but the properties behind the station show the location clearly ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6kM5aX5fT5M/TyKlwAJ0K_I/AAAAAAAAGts/r8ok1YW7mRo/s1600/crossing.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="288" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6kM5aX5fT5M/TyKlwAJ0K_I/AAAAAAAAGts/r8ok1YW7mRo/s320/crossing.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... with the track passing to the left of the white weatherboarded cottage glimpsed through the trees behind the platform fence in the old photo.. Managing the level crossing required bravery and skill as the gatemen attempted to find a gap in the busy holiday road traffic.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YAfEtBarUYM/TyKmkUy6LCI/AAAAAAAAGt0/1Nc9ndxsieY/s1600/langstonbus.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="245" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YAfEtBarUYM/TyKmkUy6LCI/AAAAAAAAGt0/1Nc9ndxsieY/s320/langstonbus.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Tomorrow, we shall complete our journey on this quaint little line as we, and our train, cross the 1000 yard Langstone Bridge ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uNCF0Q4T8GQ/TyKnPPu7DUI/AAAAAAAAGt8/yX8qPHvfJpQ/s1600/langstonsign.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uNCF0Q4T8GQ/TyKnPPu7DUI/AAAAAAAAGt8/yX8qPHvfJpQ/s1600/langstonsign.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... the highlight and ultimately the downfall of this much-loved little branch&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #9fc5e8;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #d0e0e3;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: #073763;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Next Blog : due Sunday January 29th&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7432323264902617108-8834642517430610507?l=publictransportexperience.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/feeds/8834642517430610507/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/01/wee-hurl-to-west-hayling-2.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/8834642517430610507'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/8834642517430610507'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/01/wee-hurl-to-west-hayling-2.html' title='A Wee Hurl to West Hayling [2]'/><author><name>fatbusbloke</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='26' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Zpc3ZPT1bAg/TL2ujD2R6PI/AAAAAAAAAYg/gZfFdSHx8To/S220/Pict0014.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pYPpZ9s0qW4/TyJtvrlVV5I/AAAAAAAAGss/C1cIUTNIRx0/s72-c/railmap.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-7502524947667055748</id><published>2012-01-27T06:36:00.006Z</published><updated>2012-01-27T08:06:15.591Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='South Central'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ferries'/><title type='text'>A Wee Hurl** to West Hayling [1]</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The Hayling Ferry&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;fbb has resided on the Isle of Wight since 1984 but, confession time again, had never visited a neighbouring sea surrounded locality, namely Hayling Island. So, it was a week or so ago that, with Mrs fbb off for as trip to London, the chubby one paid his first ever visit.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There were three (now only two) means of public transport to the Island; possibly the oldest being the Hayling ferry that runs from Ferry Point near the Ferry Boat Inn on Hayling Island to Eastney Beach, Portsmouth, across the mouth of Langstone Harbour.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-A0SEY8v6h9E/TyFxYRuYQAI/AAAAAAAAGq4/5u8Opl0qtAc/s1600/map.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="315" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-A0SEY8v6h9E/TyFxYRuYQAI/AAAAAAAAGq4/5u8Opl0qtAc/s320/map.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;The rights to run a ferry belonged to the Lord of the Manor of Hayling Island, the Dukes of Norfolk, to whom the land had passed on the dissolution of the monasteries. Rowing boats were used until 1901 when the the ferry rights were bought by the Hayling Island Steam Ferry Company, who constructed pontoons, made up the road on the Hayling side, and acquired a small steamer. The service was soon abandoned due to the unsuitability of the steamer. The pontoons survived, and eventually a motor boat service was operated by G.O.Spraggs and his sons Cecil, George and Jack. Post-war boats were the 'Sinah',&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PM9pxi-PYwE/TyF2YcpiCGI/AAAAAAAAGrI/MWj0GZ12slc/s1600/sinah.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="241" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PM9pxi-PYwE/TyF2YcpiCGI/AAAAAAAAGrI/MWj0GZ12slc/s320/sinah.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;'Folkestone Belle' and 'Tarpon'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;In 1961 Portsmouth City Council took the ferry over.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Y6BBLxbKu4o/TyF2PIj-ZtI/AAAAAAAAGrA/l3i55fs_CzA/s1600/pmthboats.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Y6BBLxbKu4o/TyF2PIj-ZtI/AAAAAAAAGrA/l3i55fs_CzA/s1600/pmthboats.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;By the late 1970s they ran the 'Iris' of 1968, which carried 55 passengers. She was joined by the 'Irene' of 1976. Portsmouth City Council operated the ferry until April 1981, when it closed, no other operator having been found.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;The pontoons were in poor condition by this time, and the Eastney pontoon was removed (and is believed to be in use near Warsash). However Hampshire County Council soon found a company who would take over the service, with subsidy for unprofitable periods.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Dutfield and Edwards started the new service, initially using the 'Hayling Enterprise' and running onto the beach at Portsmouth until a new pontoon was built (the Hayling pontoon has also been replaced).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Y-geKMLxgAo/TyF5Tqj4c4I/AAAAAAAAGrQ/5YH-39udAKk/s1600/prideogh.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="294" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Y-geKMLxgAo/TyF5Tqj4c4I/AAAAAAAAGrQ/5YH-39udAKk/s400/prideogh.jpg" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;The current boat is the 'Pride of Hayling'. The service runs 360 days a year, with a break over Christmas/New Year, and carries commuters and school children, plus tourists in summer.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But using this route to get from Portsmouth to the main settlements on Hayling Island (and vice-versa) presents a snag. First Bus, successors to Portsmouth Corporation run the hourly service 15 to the pontoon at Eastney.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-p4aClIV9ZjQ/TyF5xnec8-I/AAAAAAAAGrY/hNNKpcPWH3w/s1600/15bus.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="343" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-p4aClIV9ZjQ/TyF5xnec8-I/AAAAAAAAGrY/hNNKpcPWH3w/s400/15bus.jpg" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;The Hayling side offers the Ferryboat Inn ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tnFhbwT7jdU/TyF6gy8OomI/AAAAAAAAGrg/I8L9_TCMpao/s1600/ferryboatinn.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="276" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tnFhbwT7jdU/TyF6gy8OomI/AAAAAAAAGrg/I8L9_TCMpao/s320/ferryboatinn.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... and a lovely turning circle and bus shelter ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-shqkvJZYXCo/TyF62tXEdLI/AAAAAAAAGro/kSKD-Xb_xt4/s1600/ferrystop.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="319" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-shqkvJZYXCo/TyF62tXEdLI/AAAAAAAAGro/kSKD-Xb_xt4/s320/ferrystop.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... but no buses! Once upon a time you could take a lovely summer ride from the ferry to Sandy Point by open top bus.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BLwn2XAcPLI/TyF7OzOiLjI/AAAAAAAAGrw/kfzYF6Phrwg/s1600/ferrybusold.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="218" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BLwn2XAcPLI/TyF7OzOiLjI/AAAAAAAAGrw/kfzYF6Phrwg/s320/ferrybusold.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Winter services to the ferry were decidedly sparse. In the late 70s and early 80s there were frequent changes to Southdown timetables and services; the open top route gradually faded and disappeared. Now there is nothing to take you from the pontoon to the built-up areas of Hayling.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uShKT0cWP74/TyGpcKzeB2I/AAAAAAAAGsU/70D-ktdtPGc/s1600/ferrytt.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uShKT0cWP74/TyGpcKzeB2I/AAAAAAAAGsU/70D-ktdtPGc/s1600/ferrytt.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;Morning "peak", then hourly; winter ferry times.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A brisk mile-and-a-quarter walk takes you to the end of Staunton Avenue South Hayling to pick up a Stagecoach Bus on route 30 ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-XkxtqxoiTcY/TyGl5hIDSiI/AAAAAAAAGsE/xgWf4fCT3_g/s1600/stauntonave.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="305" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-XkxtqxoiTcY/TyGl5hIDSiI/AAAAAAAAGsE/xgWf4fCT3_g/s320/stauntonave.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... at the stop here, on the right. Once you're safely seated on the Stagecoach steed, the journey to Mengham (the "capital" on Hayling Island) is still circuitous, involving a ride via the aforementioned Sandy Point at the far eastern end of the Island before doubling back to the main street.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-G1Iw-7I32RU/TyHY3DoiqWI/AAAAAAAAGsc/yg4miq6xWcI/s1600/30map.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="343" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-G1Iw-7I32RU/TyHY3DoiqWI/AAAAAAAAGsc/yg4miq6xWcI/s400/30map.jpg" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Sandy Point is about a mile further west, to the bottom right of the map above.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-03TDmmPKWqs/TyJIQp1UKBI/AAAAAAAAGsk/35cCxMeA-vw/s1600/30map2.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-03TDmmPKWqs/TyJIQp1UKBI/AAAAAAAAGsk/35cCxMeA-vw/s1600/30map2.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Not surpisingly the number of passenger has declined in recent years; the loading consisting mainly of cyclists and car-borne commuters from the Hayling side; supplemented by energetic tourists in the opposite direction in the summer. Perhaps the various parties should look again at relaunching the "through" service; it could be much quicker than plodding pedestrianly by public transport via Havant. The ferry owners appear to have only one boat, so mechanical failure can lead to cancellations. Windy weather is also unwelcome!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;But it is still a particularly pleasant experience in summer sun!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The next public transport arrival on Hayling Island was the train.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Meanwhile, a thought for a Hayling and Portsea Island expert. Was it ever possible to travel by open top bus from the centre of Portsmouth to the Hayling Ferry, as here ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Zz1cMLL1NP4/TyGnp2RiSTI/AAAAAAAAGsM/RK2txri7cxQ/s1600/eastneyOT.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="275" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Zz1cMLL1NP4/TyGnp2RiSTI/AAAAAAAAGsM/RK2txri7cxQ/s320/eastneyOT.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... then by boat for transfer to the Hayling open topper on the other side? That would have been something very special!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;** "A wee hurl", a phrase as used by Scottish Mrs fbb. It means "a short trip"; "an outing" but with connotations of a certain amount of speed!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #9fc5e8;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #d0e0e3;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: #073763;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Next Blog : due Saturday January 28th&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7432323264902617108-7502524947667055748?l=publictransportexperience.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/feeds/7502524947667055748/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/01/wee-hurl-to-west-hayling-1.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/7502524947667055748'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/7502524947667055748'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/01/wee-hurl-to-west-hayling-1.html' title='A Wee Hurl** to West Hayling [1]'/><author><name>fatbusbloke</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='26' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Zpc3ZPT1bAg/TL2ujD2R6PI/AAAAAAAAAYg/gZfFdSHx8To/S220/Pict0014.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-A0SEY8v6h9E/TyFxYRuYQAI/AAAAAAAAGq4/5u8Opl0qtAc/s72-c/map.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-6707340274769340394</id><published>2012-01-26T03:05:00.001Z</published><updated>2012-01-26T03:07:43.838Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Sheffield'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='timetables'/><title type='text'>Getting You the Giggles</title><content type='html'>Not Quite What was Intended!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1umRhI3fiqE/TxkhDMGyg2I/AAAAAAAAGho/4cUW-PSI-jQ/s1600/comedyfest.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1umRhI3fiqE/TxkhDMGyg2I/AAAAAAAAGho/4cUW-PSI-jQ/s1600/comedyfest.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Travel South Yorkshire [TSY] is proud to be sponsoring the first Doncaster Comedy Festival. To celebrate, we are offering three lucky winners the chance to get their hands on a pair of festival passes by simply entering the free prize draw at travelsouthyorkshire.com/comedy.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;"Getting you the Giggles" is the strapline of this particular on-line promotion. fbb can hardly wait! In the meantime, TSY is pretty good at its own comedic stand-up material.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Changes due at the end of this month provide a few titters as usual.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For example, TSY's computer people have trouble with their numeracy. For most of us "5" comes between "4" and "6"; but for TSY it comes ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-e-NQhJ7p9QQ/Tx8MWw4dJNI/AAAAAAAAGpI/6A2_71NzN1Q/s1600/changeslist.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-e-NQhJ7p9QQ/Tx8MWw4dJNI/AAAAAAAAGpI/6A2_71NzN1Q/s1600/changeslist.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;...between "49" and "51". Why let convention get in the way of &amp;nbsp;explaining things correctly to your customers? Giggle.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then there's a recent roadside timetable for the service to Balby.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-57TYYy0ELKA/Tx8MuaHF2YI/AAAAAAAAGpQ/-IjI97GdToE/s1600/tterror.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="246" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-57TYYy0ELKA/Tx8MuaHF2YI/AAAAAAAAGpQ/-IjI97GdToE/s320/tterror.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Every 11/10 minutes in the morning followed by every 4 mins in the afternoon. Really? Giggle giggle.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then mysterious journeys at Charnock catch the eye. It may not be a new giggle; but giggle it is all the same!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Charnock is an estate at Gleadless on the south eastern edge of the Sheffield. It is served by route 51, running every 10 minutes Monday to Saturday daytime. Back in 1959 it only had a bus every hour on the "back way" service 99 to Chesterfield via Ford, delving deeper into the estate in 1966.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GM2bzCZ2okQ/Tx8QVKG2L4I/AAAAAAAAGpY/0uGL0fPmqDQ/s1600/99pic.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GM2bzCZ2okQ/Tx8QVKG2L4I/AAAAAAAAGpY/0uGL0fPmqDQ/s1600/99pic.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;But, in compensation for a limited frequency,&amp;nbsp; you often got a nice comfy motorway coach instead of an "ordinary" bus! In 1971, the 99 reverted to its "main road route" (Now service 252 via Ford to Crystal Peaks) and Charnock got its own 20 minutes frequency 64.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When shiny trams arrived at Herdings, the 51 was duly diverted to Charnock, where it still terminates today. This map extract from Transport Defunct shows the route and the stops on the terminating "loop".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uMQUk7OxjEE/Tx8Y51U0NEI/AAAAAAAAGpg/Y_XJ9xb2YKA/s1600/51map.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uMQUk7OxjEE/Tx8Y51U0NEI/AAAAAAAAGpg/Y_XJ9xb2YKA/s1600/51map.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;The buses wait for their departure time at Stoneley Crescent; this is the actual stop ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yNoW_TsFBO8/Tx8ZOGbcNcI/AAAAAAAAGpo/2uQ9ssJN9yA/s1600/stoneleycres.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yNoW_TsFBO8/Tx8ZOGbcNcI/AAAAAAAAGpo/2uQ9ssJN9yA/s1600/stoneleycres.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... and as you would expect, all buses are shown there in the timetable.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-L_GHI1XzzbI/Tx8ZZb7pnUI/AAAAAAAAGpw/gNXn5otDimE/s1600/51ttcharn.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-L_GHI1XzzbI/Tx8ZZb7pnUI/AAAAAAAAGpw/gNXn5otDimE/s1600/51ttcharn.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;But you are well and truly "stuffed" if you try waiting at Charnock Dale Road, here, on the right near the shops ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-h4Ogi3Hz45E/Tx8ZpZgAuDI/AAAAAAAAGp4/0kxdn0B2g8U/s1600/shops.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-h4Ogi3Hz45E/Tx8ZpZgAuDI/AAAAAAAAGp4/0kxdn0B2g8U/s1600/shops.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... because most buses simply don't call there. Check the timetable above!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Good for a giggle, unless you've just missed the 1034.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course it's a nonsense, but TSY likes sponsoring giggles.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But, lest you should think that all is hilarious at TSY towers, fbb can report that "the lads" have actually got something right - at last. Service 4 from Rotherham, referred to in yesterday's blog (&lt;a href="http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/01/stagecoach-sinister-silverwood-service_23.html" target="_blank"&gt;read again&lt;/a&gt;), is currently a guffaw rather than a giggle.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-huemzpEcF94/Tx8bcc-Y6NI/AAAAAAAAGqA/wIV-F7QDjag/s1600/4oldtt.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-huemzpEcF94/Tx8bcc-Y6NI/AAAAAAAAGqA/wIV-F7QDjag/s1600/4oldtt.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;See those early morning Stagecoach journeys [SSY]? They follow a completely different route from from the First [FST] trips, don't they? And they are equally different in the evening and all day on Sundays, as well.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Giggle giggle. NO! They actually follow exactly the same route, despite a completely different set of "timing points".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;But, the lads have done some pretty clever working out; someone may actually have travelled on a No. 4 bus. &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;No, that's just a silly idea.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; But somehow, for the new timetable starting on Monday 30th January, both routes are the now shown in exactly the same way.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_e-rr8iv1fI/Tx8coFHG7iI/AAAAAAAAGqI/2KsRjPqVF6I/s1600/4newtt.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_e-rr8iv1fI/Tx8coFHG7iI/AAAAAAAAGqI/2KsRjPqVF6I/s1600/4newtt.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;One giggle less. Shame.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But there are plenty more sniggers, giggles and head scratching moments as TSY wrestles with its off-beat explanations of timetable changes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PpQt8Ss-ZqM/Tx8l6X0hC2I/AAAAAAAAGqw/IpkmlaOM9Fg/s1600/bentley.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PpQt8Ss-ZqM/Tx8l6X0hC2I/AAAAAAAAGqw/IpkmlaOM9Fg/s1600/bentley.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;a 63 at Bentley (or is it a 66?)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Wouldn't it have been more helpful to simply say that the 63 is renumbered 66?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5e1lbs6Sh6k/Tx8g7A_GnbI/AAAAAAAAGqQ/Rhzk8FX8Ow4/s1600/63_66.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5e1lbs6Sh6k/Tx8g7A_GnbI/AAAAAAAAGqQ/Rhzk8FX8Ow4/s1600/63_66.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Because that's what's happening.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ltzkYmgHmAo/Tx8jJbdCXhI/AAAAAAAAGqo/uyY5ygapxKM/s1600/265bus.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ltzkYmgHmAo/Tx8jJbdCXhI/AAAAAAAAGqo/uyY5ygapxKM/s1600/265bus.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;And finally, when is/was the 265 timetable change?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GFPI79FOnLE/Tx8hJVViH4I/AAAAAAAAGqY/4qgYbjNfU9Q/s1600/265change.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GFPI79FOnLE/Tx8hJVViH4I/AAAAAAAAGqY/4qgYbjNfU9Q/s1600/265change.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Haven't a clue. 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[3]</title><content type='html'>A mystery bus route?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;In "The Stagecoach Sinister Silverwood Service? [1]" (&lt;a href="http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/01/stagecoach-sinister-silverwood-service.html" target="_blank"&gt;read again&lt;/a&gt;) fbb referred to the Rotherham trolleybus (later diesel bus) route to Silverwood Colliery. In 1985, for example, there was a bus to the colliery every 20 minutes Monday to Friday daytimes supplemented by a selection of shift change journeys seven days a week.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BHH7J_dmDxg/Tx0rcpDtNYI/AAAAAAAAGoo/z0hvnPz0jaY/s1600/137tt.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BHH7J_dmDxg/Tx0rcpDtNYI/AAAAAAAAGoo/z0hvnPz0jaY/s1600/137tt.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Beyond the colliery, Hollings Lane leads to Moor Lane crossroads, with a left turn for the village of Ravenfield, straight on for Braithwell and right for Bramley.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-s7CM0OVCnuw/Txwq9xNPILI/AAAAAAAAGmo/r-trRCXzVcI/s1600/ravefieldmap40s.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="336" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-s7CM0OVCnuw/Txwq9xNPILI/AAAAAAAAGmo/r-trRCXzVcI/s400/ravefieldmap40s.jpg" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;As new housing developed in the 1960s, Rotherham Corporation provided services 22 and 24 (later 122 and 124 as here in 1985) ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Ldq8lIbzpsQ/TxxMZKZI9vI/AAAAAAAAGoI/5D-1Mz4GuU4/s1600/122tt.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Ldq8lIbzpsQ/TxxMZKZI9vI/AAAAAAAAGoI/5D-1Mz4GuU4/s1600/122tt.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;... to serve the growing population of the area.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-N7l4t0kCwr0/TxwqbUlwWqI/AAAAAAAAGmg/Od9_dHYfAY0/s1600/ravenfieldmap.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="286" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-N7l4t0kCwr0/TxwqbUlwWqI/AAAAAAAAGmg/Od9_dHYfAY0/s400/ravenfieldmap.jpg" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;With the colliery closure, recent service developments have taken buses away from Hollings Lane. A nice little turning circle was built near to where it says Ravenfield Grange on the above map, officially designated Ravenfield Common Cedar Drive ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QU0k9NlEpUw/TxwsJ-e0XHI/AAAAAAAAGm4/-N8wCyTp9Bc/s1600/cedardri.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QU0k9NlEpUw/TxwsJ-e0XHI/AAAAAAAAGm4/-N8wCyTp9Bc/s1600/cedardri.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... which is now served by First's hourly route 3 via Bramley and Flanderwell ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tQ3RsGTs8AI/TxwshmiS5KI/AAAAAAAAGnA/MBiR-a_iKFA/s1600/svc3map.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tQ3RsGTs8AI/TxwshmiS5KI/AAAAAAAAGnA/MBiR-a_iKFA/s1600/svc3map.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... and First's hourly service 4 via Dalton, Sunnyside and Flanderwell.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bfyrkSYhRO4/Txws3eRedXI/AAAAAAAAGnI/MZOkKOd0aLI/s1600/silvmap.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bfyrkSYhRO4/Txws3eRedXI/AAAAAAAAGnI/MZOkKOd0aLI/s1600/silvmap.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Silverwood Colliery &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; on the pale blue (apparently unserved) road above the "S" of Silverwood. Here's a 3 (or a 4?) caught by Google Maps on Flanderwell Road, returning from Cedar Drive to Rotherham.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-j4gzfaD1sp0/TxxOkGw_CyI/AAAAAAAAGoQ/EbEObXqyh9Y/s1600/4bus.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="293" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-j4gzfaD1sp0/TxxOkGw_CyI/AAAAAAAAGoQ/EbEObXqyh9Y/s320/4bus.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;But, lookee here fine blog reader, there &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; a bus service to Hollings Lane, no less. It terminates at Silverwood Cottages, the first block of housing past the emptiness of the former colliery site ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iPtJMuCPQkA/TxwvbJZ6ewI/AAAAAAAAGnQ/Mso4jgXHNSQ/s1600/silcott.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iPtJMuCPQkA/TxwvbJZ6ewI/AAAAAAAAGnQ/Mso4jgXHNSQ/s1600/silcott.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... it's on the service 4 map; and there's the bus stop on the left. It's even on departure displays at Rotherham bus station.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sHLHEbg-mF0/Tx1MMrI4ZpI/AAAAAAAAGo4/bUBDhbi_fnM/s1600/rothersign.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="49" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sHLHEbg-mF0/Tx1MMrI4ZpI/AAAAAAAAGo4/bUBDhbi_fnM/s320/rothersign.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;So, next, we take a look at the timetable which will might show us the frequent First [FST] fours to the Cottages' terrace terminus.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xE8cYKnKqDY/TxwwR_nhbRI/AAAAAAAAGnY/bnsfRIn6UNA/s1600/4daytime.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xE8cYKnKqDY/TxwwR_nhbRI/AAAAAAAAGnY/bnsfRIn6UNA/s1600/4daytime.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Oh dear, no buses. But wait; Stagecoach [SSY] operates the evening and Sunday service, tendered by South Yorkshire PTE. Perhaps, out of the goodness of their combined hearts, they provide a subsidised service to the secluded citizens of Silverwood?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-y6EFi_OYxvM/TxwxS7UdRRI/AAAAAAAAGng/E-DrJrr9Tgc/s1600/4sunday.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-y6EFi_OYxvM/TxwxS7UdRRI/AAAAAAAAGng/E-DrJrr9Tgc/s1600/4sunday.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;It's not looking very promising; the above is the hourly Sunday service.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But what is this? The very last journey of the day, seven days a week, runs from Rotherham via Dalton and Flanderwell to Cedar Drive; then doubles back to Silverwood Cottages!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xZM8E41QDXA/Txwxk3qpmLI/AAAAAAAAGno/gSmv7q2KhD4/s1600/2lastjy.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xZM8E41QDXA/Txwxk3qpmLI/AAAAAAAAGno/gSmv7q2KhD4/s1600/2lastjy.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;There it is, arriving at 2328. For the record, there are no journeys &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;from&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; The Cottages.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;When fbb is next visiting Sheffield he fully intends to join this bus and observe the crowds alighting at the stop pictured above. Perhaps there is a secret gambling den in the cellar of Number 15? Perhaps the computer that runs Travel South Yorkshire's information systems is deep in a "hardened" bunker with the entrance disguised as a disused outside "privvy"? Who knows?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Of course, there &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; a bus service along Hollings Lane. How silly of fbb to think there wasn't. It's available on Traveline but NOT on the Travel South Yorkshire site. Here are the key stops in the Silverwood area:-&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-EYm0itgdRYg/TxwzdJs_xEI/AAAAAAAAGnw/8brZ-zVFMIM/s1600/668route.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-EYm0itgdRYg/TxwzdJs_xEI/AAAAAAAAGnw/8brZ-zVFMIM/s1600/668route.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;"Ravenfield Common, HOLLINGS LANE, Silver Wood" is Traveline's version of the stop name.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;So what is this service, ably supplemented by a late evening tendered trip on route 4. Where are the residents of Silverwood Cottages going during the day, and how often?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YqOwr3u0wF0/TxxKBj3G4zI/AAAAAAAAGn4/s7OlzJqIXwk/s1600/668tt.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YqOwr3u0wF0/TxxKBj3G4zI/AAAAAAAAGn4/s7OlzJqIXwk/s1600/668tt.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;It's a 668 school bus, run by MASS travel, for "students" attending Rotherham's Roman Catholic Secondary School. So Grab your beads, put on your chasuble, plonk a biretta on your head and off you go.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;So the key question remains. &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;What happens at Silverwood Cottages every night at 2328? &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;And, when it's finished happening, how do those who take part get home?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hIRrwOfRn3o/Tx0yQ2kfcSI/AAAAAAAAGow/KaEc5KNO1rw/s1600/speakeasy.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hIRrwOfRn3o/Tx0yQ2kfcSI/AAAAAAAAGow/KaEc5KNO1rw/s1600/speakeasy.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;a speakeasy - raided at Silverwood?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #9fc5e8;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #d0e0e3;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: #073763;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Next Blog : due Thursday January 26th&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mrs fbb's birthday! Don't forget the card, fbb!&amp;nbsp;&lt;span style="background-color: #9fc5e8;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #d0e0e3;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: #073763;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7432323264902617108-8998164240146439458?l=publictransportexperience.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/feeds/8998164240146439458/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/01/stagecoach-sinister-silverwood-service_23.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/8998164240146439458'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/8998164240146439458'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/01/stagecoach-sinister-silverwood-service_23.html' title='The Stagecoach Sinister Silverwood Service? [3]'/><author><name>fatbusbloke</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='26' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Zpc3ZPT1bAg/TL2ujD2R6PI/AAAAAAAAAYg/gZfFdSHx8To/S220/Pict0014.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BHH7J_dmDxg/Tx0rcpDtNYI/AAAAAAAAGoo/z0hvnPz0jaY/s72-c/137tt.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-7692151332463085660</id><published>2012-01-24T08:36:00.001Z</published><updated>2012-01-24T09:14:19.143Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='miscellany'/><title type='text'>The Stagecoach Sinister Silverwood Service? [2]</title><content type='html'>Very different passenger transport&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And a tragic loss of life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Many of our blog readers will never have visited a deep coal mine. It is an impressive yet terrifying experience. Many (many!) years ago fbb was privileged to visit Harworth colliery near Doncaster.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0JgH7h-QRpI/TxwOHh7d6gI/AAAAAAAAGlw/D_mYwj9xUhY/s1600/harworth.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0JgH7h-QRpI/TxwOHh7d6gI/AAAAAAAAGlw/D_mYwj9xUhY/s1600/harworth.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The coal face was a long way down (there's a clue in the "deep" descriptor) at 2782 feet (or 848 metres in the new money) and the working coal face can be a long way from the bottom of the shaft. So you travel by train. At Silverwood, the first stage of this journey was by rope hauled train ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QiC6s-FRgog/TxwRDILJ6xI/AAAAAAAAGl4/NRvVSfjg6-s/s1600/rope.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QiC6s-FRgog/TxwRDILJ6xI/AAAAAAAAGl4/NRvVSfjg6-s/s1600/rope.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... because of steep gradients. Then diesel hauled trucks took over. Other systems used battery power or even overhead electric cable like a tram.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-au-bfeuI3s4/TxwRt83AntI/AAAAAAAAGmA/JaX2oeEJXrM/s1600/electric.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-au-bfeuI3s4/TxwRt83AntI/AAAAAAAAGmA/JaX2oeEJXrM/s1600/electric.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;fbb's ride at Harworth was an experience not to miss but not to be repeated. The sides of the "road" seemed perilously close and the ceiling frighteningly low. The track was not quite up to Network Rail's Inter City Standard!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Incidentally, the spookiest part of fbb's visit was when the guide turned off all the lights, and asked everyone to turn off their helmet lamps.&amp;nbsp; Total darkness is very rare in most people's lives and, literally, you could not see your hand in front of your face.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zHbMQg9vLSo/Tx0qwIW6GOI/AAAAAAAAGog/HpbdfYGWzQQ/s1600/fbbharworth.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zHbMQg9vLSo/Tx0qwIW6GOI/AAAAAAAAGog/HpbdfYGWzQQ/s1600/fbbharworth.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;fbb at the coal face at Harworth - only joking!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Back st Silverwood, and very much "no joke" ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KTaR2c9RRdc/TxwTC754HaI/AAAAAAAAGmI/298GlfpnNuY/s1600/paddytrain.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KTaR2c9RRdc/TxwTC754HaI/AAAAAAAAGmI/298GlfpnNuY/s1600/paddytrain.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Thursday 3rd February 1966.&lt;/u&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;The shift started as normal as forty Miners boarded the Paddy Train (known as the "passenger" train). The journey to the work area was mainly a downhill run. Shortly after the passenger train departed a second train (known as the Mail train), which carried equipment, followed. The Mail train suddenly went out of control picking up speed, until it caught up with the train in front smashing into the rear end. Nine men died instantly, one man survived a further three days in hospital, and 30 miners were injured.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Rotherham's former Mayor (twice) and MP was Stan Crowther.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_aVz0lR1fkk/Txwew1pTonI/AAAAAAAAGmQ/ITcnjM61CUM/s1600/stan.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_aVz0lR1fkk/Txwew1pTonI/AAAAAAAAGmQ/ITcnjM61CUM/s1600/stan.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;He was an great folk music enthusiast and, although not directly involved in Silverwood Pit, he was sufficiently challenged by the 1966 disaster that he composed this very moving song:-&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;At Silverwood one Thursday morning, half a mile below the ground,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Forty miners rode the paddy, on the day shift they were bound,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;When a diesel locomotive, rushing up beyond control,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Crashed into that crowded paddy, and it took a dreadful toll.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Men who live with danger daily do not cry for fear or pain,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Calmly did the injured lie there, waiting till assistance came.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;To that scene of devastation came a nurse, an angel fair,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Bringing to those stricken men a women's kind and tender care.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Gently did their comrades lift them and to safety quickly bore,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;But nine brave men died in the wreckage, one lived on for three days more.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Danger lurks in every coal mine. Ever since man first began,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Taking coal from earths deep bowels earth has wreaked revenge on man.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Ten more deaths to swell the total, ten more names upon the roll,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Ten more names to be remembered when we count the cost of coal,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Miners bodies maimed and broken, orphaned children, widowed wives,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;The price England pays for coal is measured in her miners lives.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The accident was one and a half miles from the bottom of the shaft!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another contributor reminds readers ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;One of the heroes on the day was Sister Adshead, who was part of the rescue team. The following day all the national papers carried her picture on their front pages. One caption I remember seeing was "The Angel with the dirty face", of course she must have been down the pit before to minister medical aid, but this was an incident where people saw her as an heroine, most of the country must have been very surprised that a Woman would actually go down a pit.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-g7rktKuAsyY/TxwiAtHJa3I/AAAAAAAAGmY/exrj-Vb8ZaI/s1600/miners.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-g7rktKuAsyY/TxwiAtHJa3I/AAAAAAAAGmY/exrj-Vb8ZaI/s1600/miners.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Further comment is superfluous.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YWDNHoUei-I/Tx3Vx8PWu8I/AAAAAAAAGpA/1AP9LqEYDXc/s1600/theend.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YWDNHoUei-I/Tx3Vx8PWu8I/AAAAAAAAGpA/1AP9LqEYDXc/s1600/theend.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;Silverwood - The End&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Back to our core mystery tomorrow ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;For those less than familiar with the workings of a deep mine, fbb has dipped into a most excellent web site chronicling the near 100 years history of Silverwood colliery. It is well worth a visit (&lt;a href="http://johndoxey.100freemb.com/Silverwood" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o- &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #9fc5e8;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #d0e0e3;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: #073763;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Next Blog : due Wednesday January 25th&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #9fc5e8;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #d0e0e3;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7432323264902617108-7692151332463085660?l=publictransportexperience.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/feeds/7692151332463085660/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/01/stagecoach-sinister-silverwood-service_8899.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/7692151332463085660'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/7692151332463085660'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/01/stagecoach-sinister-silverwood-service_8899.html' title='The Stagecoach Sinister Silverwood Service? [2]'/><author><name>fatbusbloke</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='26' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Zpc3ZPT1bAg/TL2ujD2R6PI/AAAAAAAAAYg/gZfFdSHx8To/S220/Pict0014.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0JgH7h-QRpI/TxwOHh7d6gI/AAAAAAAAGlw/D_mYwj9xUhY/s72-c/harworth.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-6917705121984121850</id><published>2012-01-23T02:49:00.005Z</published><updated>2012-01-23T10:08:17.200Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='transport nostalgia'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Yorkshire'/><title type='text'>The Stagecoach Sinister Silverwood Service? [1]</title><content type='html'>So where and what is Silverwood?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-LO7tEYTS-2k/Txu-USW5hsI/AAAAAAAAGko/d_w-dtEtpWQ/s1600/silv1900.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-LO7tEYTS-2k/Txu-USW5hsI/AAAAAAAAGko/d_w-dtEtpWQ/s1600/silv1900.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;A colliery, originally called Dalton Main, was sunk in open country at Silver Wood, near Rotherham, in 1901.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1HvKZMv9hXY/TxvIe7dKGuI/AAAAAAAAGlo/gsKPGeaMp8E/s1600/truck.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1HvKZMv9hXY/TxvIe7dKGuI/AAAAAAAAGlo/gsKPGeaMp8E/s1600/truck.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;The owning company, later taken over by John Brown's, also operated the Roundwood pit near Rawmarsh; the two being linked by part of a private railway system.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GMQDQyoC0NY/TxvBGsv3RdI/AAAAAAAAGlA/3jJWhXbjalw/s1600/silcoll1910.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="294" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GMQDQyoC0NY/TxvBGsv3RdI/AAAAAAAAGlA/3jJWhXbjalw/s320/silcoll1910.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Silverwood Colliery platform was a wooden railway platform built for John Brown's Private Railway in order to operate "Paddy" trains from Roundwood Colliery to Silverwood Colliery to bring their workers to the new coal mine.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PbrbGWruSlA/TxvDCypbKTI/AAAAAAAAGlg/ucsjZntcZGI/s1600/roundwood.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="348" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PbrbGWruSlA/TxvDCypbKTI/AAAAAAAAGlg/ucsjZntcZGI/s400/roundwood.jpg" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;Roundwood Collery top left : Silverwood, bottom right&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;The trains were operated by a rake of seven former Mersey Railway coaches hauled by a vacuum brake fitted locomotive, regularly assisted by an additional locomotive on the front for extra power. These lasted until the 1930s when, either the workers at Silverwood had moved to new housing in Thrybergh, or were in a position to use the new "pit buses" operated by private companies and later by Rotherham Corporation. The platform was removed shortly after the last train left.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RHiq_-WLu5E/Txu_k13fEjI/AAAAAAAAGkw/M7j49QoeTu8/s1600/silvqe2.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RHiq_-WLu5E/Txu_k13fEjI/AAAAAAAAGkw/M7j49QoeTu8/s320/silvqe2.jpg" width="214" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;A second Silverwood Colliery platform was a specially constructed railway platform built with only one passenger in mind, H. M. The Queen, when she visited the colliery on 31 July 1975. The royal party stayed overnight on the Royal Train in Silverwood Colliery Sidings before the colliery visit the following day when the platform was used for its only time. The Royal Train was hauled by Class 47 locomotive No.47172.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HLJ-RUtrlfw/Txu_vef0ohI/AAAAAAAAGk4/8ENzrarsYn8/s1600/47172.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="210" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HLJ-RUtrlfw/Txu_vef0ohI/AAAAAAAAGk4/8ENzrarsYn8/s320/47172.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Eventually, Rotherham Corporation had provided a trolleybus service (known locally as "trackless") to the colliery, a branch off the service 37 to Thrybergh.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Lx570WpTUkA/Txx3h6LcweI/AAAAAAAAGoY/Xj6TUiAyRAE/s1600/thryberghtroll.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="266" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Lx570WpTUkA/Txx3h6LcweI/AAAAAAAAGoY/Xj6TUiAyRAE/s320/thryberghtroll.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: purple;"&gt;Thrybergh trolleybus terminus&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In 1965, student fbb inadvertently rode the very last "trackless" to Silverwood at Saturday lunchtime.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HhtmjPQ2TpU/TxvBqUe3guI/AAAAAAAAGlI/1bW-Tm2IFTY/s1600/silvtrolley.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="250" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HhtmjPQ2TpU/TxvBqUe3guI/AAAAAAAAGlI/1bW-Tm2IFTY/s320/silvtrolley.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Much to the annoyance of enthusiasts, later "shift change" trips to the colliery were run by motorbus; the whole 37 route (Kinberworth, Rotherham, Thrybergh) changing to diesel power the following day. fbb also rode the very last Rotherham trolleybus in service, ever, later that night as it swished its way to Kimberworth.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;A comparison with todays' picture of the same location shows that nothing remains; mining having ceased in 1994.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-FE22nIKuDhU/TxvCgK9ZOnI/AAAAAAAAGlQ/VAmYT_96cJw/s1600/silcollnow.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="242" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-FE22nIKuDhU/TxvCgK9ZOnI/AAAAAAAAGlQ/VAmYT_96cJw/s320/silcollnow.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Remaining coal reserves were extracted via Maltby Colliery but coal washing etc. continued on the site until early 2000s. The area was completely cleared by 2006.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Only the overgrown trackbed of the erstwhile colliery branch line can be glimpsed from Hollings Lane.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-DqsIDOoiT6Y/TxvC3FS-Z3I/AAAAAAAAGlY/ARp10IsZAx8/s1600/silvbranch.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="258" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-DqsIDOoiT6Y/TxvC3FS-Z3I/AAAAAAAAGlY/ARp10IsZAx8/s320/silvbranch.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;It will not surprise our loyal blog readers that Silverwood no longer echoes to the sound of Public Transport.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Or does it? &amp;nbsp;Therein lies a bit of a mystery ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #9fc5e8;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #d0e0e3;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: #073763;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #9fc5e8;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #d0e0e3;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: #073763;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Next Blog : due Tuesday January 24th&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #9fc5e8;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #d0e0e3;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: lime;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: cyan;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7432323264902617108-6917705121984121850?l=publictransportexperience.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/feeds/6917705121984121850/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/01/stagecoach-sinister-silverwood-service.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/6917705121984121850'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7432323264902617108/posts/default/6917705121984121850'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2012/01/stagecoach-sinister-silverwood-service.html' title='The Stagecoach Sinister Silverwood Service? [1]'/><author><name>fatbusbloke</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='26' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Zpc3ZPT1bAg/TL2ujD2R6PI/AAAAAAAAAYg/gZfFdSHx8To/S220/Pict0014.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-LO7tEYTS-2k/Txu-USW5hsI/AAAAAAAAGko/d_w-dtEtpWQ/s72-c/silv1900.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-7435114624367913195</id><published>2012-01-22T06:21:00.001Z</published><updated>2012-01-22T06:40:59.262Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='transport nostalgia'/><title type='text'>The Bus, Literally! [2]</title><content type='html'>It has to begin with Dr Who!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HsMC7UkMez8/Txp7iNPwjSI/AAAAAAAAGjI/FpHDl8SDrT8/s1600/drwhobus.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HsMC7UkMez8/Txp7iNPwjSI/AAAAAAAAGjI/FpHDl8SDrT8/s1600/drwhobus.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;So a VR was sent out to Dubai for the Easter 2009 "special", but a container was dropped on it in the docks! James Strong, a member of the Production Team, recalls:-&amp;nbsp;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;One morning in the first week of February, I was leaving my flat when Julie Gardner [series producer] phoned. She said, "there's been a little accident with the bus ... it's a disaster; the bus is [expletive deleted!]." When I got into the office, I was handed a photograph—and my initial reaction was absolute horror.We had bought an identical &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;London bus&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; to film on in Cardiff, so could we send that out to Dubai? But [writer] Russell Davies' response was "Okay, let's embrace it. Let's say that the bus was damaged on its way to the alien planet. He wove it into the narrative. We're not trying to hide the damage at all. In fact, we show it off, enhancing it with special effects, smoke and sparks. It works rather marvellously. That &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;London bus&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;, damaged and smoking, in the middle of the desert—yeah, it looks incredible, especially in gorgeous hi-def."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Helvetica&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;London bus? Well, it was red. And so was this one ...&lt;span style="color: blue;"
