tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post978142347656106610..comments2024-03-25T22:17:35.616+00:00Comments on Public Transport Experience: Sheffield First Hand : At The Bus Stopfatbusblokehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-17471186164380980922015-11-16T09:24:05.456+00:002015-11-16T09:24:05.456+00:00Standard practice is that if the RTI screens show ...Standard practice is that if the RTI screens show times (i.e: 16:21 or 07:21) then it is just showing scheduled times and bears no relation to what is actually happening. If the screens show minutes (i.e: 5-mins) then this indicates the system is running off the tracking system. If there is anywhere not following this convention then they are clearly being unhelpful & very customer unfriendly as it makes it very difficult for waiting passengers to trust it. If they use the different formats for different sources, especially if like Nottingham they explain the difference on a panel on the bus stop, then customers have a chance of being sure what can be trusted as 'real' and what is simply possibly useful information.dwarfer1979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-28261467688156043052015-11-14T10:42:32.318+00:002015-11-14T10:42:32.318+00:00For some reason the makers of real time systems ar...For some reason the makers of real time systems are deadly afraid of putting 'Delayed' on the screens. So it's not even an option.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-31007723876366033232015-11-13T22:13:59.246+00:002015-11-13T22:13:59.246+00:00We have similar "live"running screens in...We have similar "live"running screens in Woking which also go to due then the bus vanishes but occasionally a bus has a working transponder and or really does work but it's pot luck.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-18127242961485636262015-11-13T17:59:42.060+00:002015-11-13T17:59:42.060+00:00The latest PTE 'consultation' (sic) is can...The latest PTE 'consultation' (sic) is canvassing the idea, amongst others, that the whole RTI system in Sheffield should be abandoned.<br /><br />A particularly daft example, until the 1 Nov changes, was the outbound from City stop at the Hallamshire Hospital, where approximately half the buses on the screen ran to................Hallamshire Hosputal, actually the turning circle about 80 ft away. To compound confusion 120s which went off service at Fulwood terminus are shown as Hallamshire Road'. You couldn't make it up.Dennis Dratnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-51844497657851693632015-11-13T13:22:06.013+00:002015-11-13T13:22:06.013+00:00From my experience, I'm inclined to agree with...From my experience, I'm inclined to agree with Dwarfer 1979. If, as Prescotian suggests, it is scheduled information, then surely the intervals between routes would be more uniform?<br /><br />I'm also aware that it is common for the information to arrive from different systems (which may also be affected by operator and ticket machine e.g. some poll every 30 seconds, others only once a minute or longer) and consolidation can also impact on the results. However, it is more common for something still to be showing when a bus has already gone past, rather than the situation here where the information disappears before the bus has arrived (and there are railway systems that exhibit similar problems too). Perhaps this should be regarded as a right-side failure?Man of Kentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-5069404468708618592015-11-13T12:22:15.371+00:002015-11-13T12:22:15.371+00:00It is quite simple really. The screens have nothin...It is quite simple really. The screens have nothing to do with Real Time Information. They are simply an electronic representation of the timetable. Thus "due" refers to the next scheduled arrival relative to the clock. Once the clock ticks forward that bus disappears from the display and the countdown to the next scheduled departure is shown.<br />We have the same system at some stops in Merseyside. you quickly learn to ignore it!prescotianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16679190357670246758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-5155528520180850082015-11-13T09:44:45.895+00:002015-11-13T09:44:45.895+00:00Those screens look like they should be real-time s...Those screens look like they should be real-time screens (they are showing minutes to go rather than times due) in which case due should mean the bus is less than a minute away according to the estimated running time from where it currently is (it can take longer if it is caught by traffic lights or other hold-up). Why the due disappears before the bus actually arrives at the stop rather than as it pulls away is another question, the obvious suggestion would be that someone has set the stop location in slightly the wrong place on the road so the system thinks the bus has passed the stop before it has actually arrived. You would have thought someone would have noticed by now as it impacts on reliability stats so clearly someone is either not paying attention or not correcting an error when it is raised. dwarfer1979noreply@blogger.com