tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post3040846068500377188..comments2024-03-29T08:14:43.839+00:00Comments on Public Transport Experience: Odd Ode : Odd Decision : Ode ear!fatbusblokehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-70779345592968199522020-04-03T15:18:33.842+01:002020-04-03T15:18:33.842+01:00This blog is really valuable and informative. Than...This blog is really valuable and informative. Thanks for sharing it. Really enjoyed reading this article and learn some new things like .<br /><a href="https://www.lcrenovation.co.uk/house-extension-in-pimlico/" rel="nofollow">House Extension in Pimlico</a>lcrenovationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15921185562364613060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-57629607355672713432013-03-06T09:58:13.951+00:002013-03-06T09:58:13.951+00:00I paraphrased - the Route One report I referred to...I paraphrased - the Route One report I referred to, which you can read for free online, does say that there was a traffic order. When I next go into the city centre, I will see what signs on the ground say.<br /><br />There wasn't an anti-Arriva policy - the then Council were annoying everyone at the time by also abolishing bus lanes. Control of the Council has changed political colour since then. The attitude at the time was "we want buses in our shiny new bus station, not cluttering up the street outside".<br /><br />I don't know who complained - it wasn't me.<br /><br />The East Midlands are odd in that they aren't a separate traffic area, so the three cities are in three different ones. Arriva Derby share some management functions with Arriva Midlands, based in Leicester. The latter may have been unaware of Mrs Bell's reputation!Frankfrognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-67263835916501564602013-03-05T20:24:49.933+00:002013-03-05T20:24:49.933+00:00This gets curiouser and curiouser. Derby City coun...This gets curiouser and curiouser. Derby City council has no authority to prevent Arriva from using any bus stop unless there is a traffic order restricting time spent at the stop. Effectively unless there were a safety issue, a bus can set down anywhere and A1 would be a setting down stop. Even more pointedly, a bus does not need marked bus stops to pick up or set down (hence hail and ride). <br />Perhaps there is a deeper reason here - maybe there is some kind of on-going anti-Arriva "policy" from the Council.<br />I wonder who complained in the first place.<br />If "the problem" is that Arriva did not tell its passengers (rather than fill in the correct form) then the list of guilty companies would clog Auntie Beverley's schedule until way past her retirement.<br />Blog coming up re Arriva (co-incidentally) in the Leicester area not telling the passenger where they go.fatbusblokehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-48977138710413673342013-03-05T18:18:10.048+00:002013-03-05T18:18:10.048+00:00To the reply to the "Crunch Question". ...To the reply to the "Crunch Question". Buses initially stopped at A1, but,according to both the driver who first dropped me in Albert St, and the Public Inquiry report in Route One No.470, Arriva were told by the City Council that they could no longer use that stop. I agree that stopping at A1 was no problem, but going to Albert St was, and neither change was put in the timetable.<br /><br />A1 is still listed because it is used by an Ashbourne Community Transport shoppers bus 4 journeys per week.<br /><br />I can't explain the different actions of different TCs, but I always thought that "Fred got away with worse in the next county" wasn't an acceptable defence in law.Frankfrognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-36212929127229546342013-03-05T17:55:19.322+00:002013-03-05T17:55:19.322+00:00Reading the comments "in another place" ...Reading the comments "in another place" as well as here, it does seem that the degree of 'punishment' is relatively minor - only one route, evenings only and in only one direction; and, as others have suggested, the operator might actually gain some passengers as a result of the overall reduction in the fare for a return journey. So it looks like a minor punishment for a minor offence.RC169https://www.blogger.com/profile/03921368833118123055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-53747825555581131792013-03-05T12:07:06.980+00:002013-03-05T12:07:06.980+00:00The TCs could more reasonably defend their positio...The TCs could more reasonably defend their position if, a well as checking the internal paperwork, they ensured that bus companies were communicating with their passengers in respect of changes. Now that really would be a useful service. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-14147442492683591152013-03-05T10:57:50.016+00:002013-03-05T10:57:50.016+00:00The crunch question is whether the 44 and 45 did (...The crunch question is whether the 44 and 45 did (or do) or did not (or do not) call at stop A1 on Morledge which IS, effectively, at the bus station. If they did / do then the problem in non-existent and the punishment quite wrong. Interchange is no more difficult or lengthy that from one end of the bus station stands to the other.<br />One comment elsewhere on-line suggests that Derby City has removed stop A1. In which case, why is it still shown on Transport Defunct?<br />The point of the doggerel remains. This is a trivial problem compared with repeated late running and no-shows which seem to go unpunished yet are far more disruptive to the passenger.fatbusblokehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06833340546527596517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323264902617108.post-66035160977173990142013-03-05T10:44:21.446+00:002013-03-05T10:44:21.446+00:00I will not repeat most of my long (and not poetic)...I will not repeat most of my long (and not poetic) comments on the Omnibuses blog on the subject, but will make two points.<br /><br />The nub of my criticism is that, under deregulation, an operator can change a route to inconvenience passengers regardless of the latter's opinions, but he must tell them. The problem with not changing the registration is that timetable producers who get copies didn't know about the change. I can just imagine an FBB blog if he had checked a tight connection in the bus station in the Derbyshire timetable BOOK, and then found the bus sailing past the bus station to stop in a back street.<br /><br />You are correct that buses call in the bus station outbound. According to a notice in the relevant bay, only inbound journeys are free, so after an evening in town you still have to pay to get home, i.e. it's half fare for an evening out. This ought to increase the number of passengers and reduce the effect on Arriva's revenue.Frankfrognoreply@blogger.com